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Hi, Everyone!:
My husband, Phil has been on the Budwig diet for 4 years January 2020 start). During that time he's been doing the FOCC 3 times per day. While reading Michael Bierschenk's new book on the Budwig diet, we realized that we're doing one FOCC too many. Could this cause a problem?
The reason for asking is that about a year ago he started experiencing some inflammation in the upper abdominal area as well as some intestinal discomfort which has slowly worsened over time. Concerned that it may be liver or pancreas related possibly caused by too much flax seed oil. Could this be an issue?
The reason for not just going ahead and dropping it out is that's a lot of calories to try to make up some other way. Thanks in advance for any help!
Also, he was only using flax seeds in 1 FOCC, as he claimed he couldn't deal with the grinder at work, where he has the other 2 FOCC servings (morning and lunch). He used hemp seeeds. A few months ago he finally agreed to the flax seeds and now has them with those 2 servings as well. Could this have slowed his progress? Again, thanks for any help!
Background: 12/31/19 he discovered lumps in his throat. His symptoms indicated to his ND that it's thyroid cancer. He managed 2 Navarro Clinic tests in 2021 with results in the low cancer range (a little above 50 Int. Units). He's 64 yo.
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Good Morning,
What size servings is he doing? The protocol calls for 6/3 CC to FO, but when I started I did 8/4. I was 230 lbs at the time and I figured it wouldn't hurt to do more. Three servins @ 6/3 is not much more than two servings @ 8/4 so I don't think it is a problem of having too much of the "muesli" impeding progress. There could be a reaction to the amount of oil, unrelated to the protocol however. As far as the flax seeds, I think it better to add them than to not, but I don't believe the flax seeds are as critical as the oil. Is he following the diet and also drinking the sauerkraut juice? I would be supplementing vit D, even if getting regular sunshine.
All the best, Rod in MN/USA
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 04:22:38 PM CST, Frances <fmgill@...> wrote:
Hi, Everyone!:
My husband, Phil has been on the Budwig diet for 4 years January 2020 start). During that time he's been doing the FOCC 3 times per day. While reading Michael Bierschenk's new book on the Budwig diet, we realized that we're doing one FOCC too many. Could this cause a problem?
The reason for asking is that about a year ago he started experiencing some inflammation in the upper abdominal area as well as some intestinal discomfort which has slowly worsened over time. Concerned that it may be liver or pancreas related possibly caused by too much flax seed oil. Could this be an issue?
The reason for not just going ahead and dropping it out is that's a lot of calories to try to make up some other way. Thanks in advance for any help!
Also, he was only using flax seeds in 1 FOCC, as he claimed he couldn't deal with the grinder at work, where he has the other 2 FOCC servings (morning and lunch). He used hemp seeeds. A few months ago he finally agreed to the flax seeds and now has them with those 2 servings as well. Could this have slowed his progress? Again, thanks for any help!
Background: 12/31/19 he discovered lumps in his throat. His symptoms indicated to his ND that it's thyroid cancer. He managed 2 Navarro Clinic tests in 2021 with results in the low cancer range (a little above 50 Int. Units). He's 64 yo.
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Shalom! I agree with Rod that the extra FOCC is probably not dangerous. However, if your husband is eating FOCC at three meals, when is he eating anything else? JUST FOCC with fruit and or vegetable salad means that he is probably not eating legumes or cooked whole grains, or steamed vegetables, all of which are recommended as part of "supper".
with wishes for good health,
Rahel Jerusalem
Good Morning,
What size servings is he doing? The protocol calls for 6/3 CC to FO, but when I started I did 8/4. I was 230 lbs at the time and I figured it wouldn't hurt to do more. Three servins @ 6/3 is not much more than two servings @ 8/4 so I don't think it is a problem of having too much of the "muesli" impeding progress. There could be a reaction to the amount of oil, unrelated to the protocol however. As far as the flax seeds, I think it better to add them than to not, but I don't believe the flax seeds are as critical as the oil. Is he following the diet and also drinking the sauerkraut juice? I would be supplementing vit D, even if getting regular sunshine.
All the best, Rod in MN/USA
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 04:22:38 PM CST, Frances < fmgill@...> wrote:
Hi, Everyone!:
My husband, Phil has been on the Budwig diet for 4 years January 2020 start). During that time he's been doing the FOCC 3 times per day. While reading Michael Bierschenk's new book on the Budwig diet, we realized that we're doing one FOCC too many. Could this cause a problem?
The reason for asking is that about a year ago he started experiencing some inflammation in the upper abdominal area as well as some intestinal discomfort which has slowly worsened over time. Concerned that it may be liver or pancreas related possibly caused by too much flax seed oil. Could this be an issue?
The reason for not just going ahead and dropping it out is that's a lot of calories to try to make up some other way. Thanks in advance for any help!
Also, he was only using flax seeds in 1 FOCC, as he claimed he couldn't deal with the grinder at work, where he has the other 2 FOCC servings (morning and lunch). He used hemp seeeds. A few months ago he finally agreed to the flax seeds and now has them with those 2 servings as well. Could this have slowed his progress? Again, thanks for any help!
Background: 12/31/19 he discovered lumps in his throat. His symptoms indicated to his ND that it's thyroid cancer. He managed 2 Navarro Clinic tests in 2021 with results in the low cancer range (a little above 50 Int. Units). He's 64 yo.
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Thanks, Rod.
He is doing the 6/3 amount, usually 3x/day. Very occaisonally, two at 6/3 and one at 4/2. We're following the diet as best we can. He is drinking sauerkraut juice (albeit purchased, but I think we've got a good on -- Biotta), and eats some sauerkraut, homemade. He does supplement with vit. D, at the amount set by his ND (3,000 IU 2x/day). He gets some outside time at lunch during the week and then a typically a good amount outside (yard work) on Saturdays, and about 30 minutes on Sundays.
Thanks for your reply!!
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HI, Rahel!
He has fruits and nuts with his FOCC. We do have supper. I'm not the best at this, but it's usually either a salad or smoothie, and a veggie or two plus something "starchy", say buckwheat or potatoes or sweet potato, and one day is beans and rice. He is still working a job and doesn't have time to do more than the 2 FOCCs (morning and lunch). The 3rd one is desert after supper.
In our 60s, neither of us were eating very much before all this started, although we had high quality grass-fed meat or wild-caught fish (less often, except his sardines).
He had been feeling fairly good so we'd added in sardines (per his ND) and crackers 1x/week, 1 boiled/deviled egg a week, an occaisional other "treat" (found a good frozen pizza with sourdough crust, all organic). Wild-caught salmon for holiday dinners. All these we have cut out in the last couple of months.
He has been maintaining weight with the 3 FOCC/day, so was concerned about dropping one out completely. It does sound like maybe that's not his abdominal issue, though.
Thank you for your reply!
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."one day is beans and rice"
I think that five-seven days/week with LEGUMES would be a good idea.
I agree: extra FOCC is probably not causing his abdominal issue.
Rahel Jerusalem
On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:34 PM Frances < fmgill@...> wrote: HI, Rahel!
He has fruits and nuts with his FOCC. We do have supper. I'm not the best at this, but it's usually either a salad or smoothie, and a veggie or two plus something "starchy", say buckwheat or potatoes or sweet potato, and one day is beans and rice. He is still working a job and doesn't have time to do more than the 2 FOCCs (morning and lunch). The 3rd one is desert after supper.
In our 60s, neither of us were eating very much before all this started, although we had high quality grass-fed meat or wild-caught fish (less often, except his sardines).
He had been feeling fairly good so we'd added in sardines (per his ND) and crackers 1x/week, 1 boiled/deviled egg a week, an occaisional other "treat" (found a good frozen pizza with sourdough crust, all organic). Wild-caught salmon for holiday dinners. All these we have cut out in the last couple of months.
He has been maintaining weight with the 3 FOCC/day, so was concerned about dropping one out completely. It does sound like maybe that's not his abdominal issue, though.
Thank you for your reply!
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Hi Frances,
Flaxseeds are difficult for me to digest. Not sure if his body can still make enough enzymes for digestion? add pineapple and carrots. Also make sure he has enough sourCe of iron.
Rod Holmgren via groups.io <s4sindus@...>於2023年12月16日 上午1:25寫道：
Good Morning,
What size servings is he doing? The protocol calls for 6/3 CC to FO, but when I started I did 8/4. I was 230 lbs at the time and I figured it wouldn't hurt to do more. Three servins @ 6/3 is not much more than two servings @ 8/4 so I don't think it is a problem of having too much of the "muesli" impeding progress. There could be a reaction to the amount of oil, unrelated to the protocol however. As far as the flax seeds, I think it better to add them than to not, but I don't believe the flax seeds are as critical as the oil. Is he following the diet and also drinking the sauerkraut juice? I would be supplementing vit D, even if getting regular sunshine.
All the best, Rod in MN/USA
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 04:22:38 PM CST, Frances <fmgill@...> wrote:
Hi, Everyone!:
My husband, Phil has been on the Budwig diet for 4 years January 2020 start). During that time he's been doing the FOCC 3 times per day. While reading Michael Bierschenk's new book on the Budwig diet, we realized that we're doing one FOCC too many. Could this cause a problem?
The reason for asking is that about a year ago he started experiencing some inflammation in the upper abdominal area as well as some intestinal discomfort which has slowly worsened over time. Concerned that it may be liver or pancreas related possibly caused by too much flax seed oil. Could this be an issue?
The reason for not just going ahead and dropping it out is that's a lot of calories to try to make up some other way. Thanks in advance for any help!
Also, he was only using flax seeds in 1 FOCC, as he claimed he couldn't deal with the grinder at work, where he has the other 2 FOCC servings (morning and lunch). He used hemp seeeds. A few months ago he finally agreed to the flax seeds and now has them with those 2 servings as well. Could this have slowed his progress? Again, thanks for any help!
Background: 12/31/19 he discovered lumps in his throat. His symptoms indicated to his ND that it's thyroid cancer. He managed 2 Navarro Clinic tests in 2021 with results in the low cancer range (a little above 50 Int. Units). He's 64 yo.
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Hi Frances
IMHO, the extra oil and quark might be causing the intestinal discomfort if it isn’t balanced with enough digestive enzymes. Dr. Budwig’s plan was carefully balanced, including sauerkraut to help with digestion, but also pineapple and papaya. Her product “Fermentgold” was a mix of papaya and apple juice. I’ve made this at home by blitzing papaya, then adding fresh apple juice and freshly ground flax seeds.
Eating papaya might help if you don’t have time for juicing.
Papain, the digestive enzyme in papaya, is also thought to aid the bioavailability of cucurmin, a well known cancer fighter. It has many other benefits too, so well worth adding to your husband’s arsenal!
Best wishes
Julie, UK
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Julie,
Where is papaya and pineapple mentioned in Dr. Budwig’s books? My husband and I have read three translated to English books and don’t recall that being mentioned.
Thanks, Sara
Hi Frances
IMHO, the extra oil and quark might be causing the intestinal discomfort if it isn’t balanced with enough digestive enzymes. Dr. Budwig’s plan was carefully balanced, including sauerkraut to help with digestion, but also pineapple and papaya. Her product “Fermentgold” was a mix of papaya and apple juice. I’ve made this at home by blitzing papaya, then adding fresh apple juice and freshly ground flax seeds.
Eating papaya might help if you don’t have time for juicing.
Papain, the digestive enzyme in papaya, is also thought to aid the bioavailability of cucurmin, a well known cancer fighter. It has many other benefits too, so well worth adding to your husband’s arsenal!
Best wishes
Julie, UK
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Hi Sara,
I first learned of the importance of the digestive enzymes; papain in papaya, and bromelain in pineapple, from discussions in this group.
On page 115 of Dr. Budwig’s book entitled “Flaxseed oil As a True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer and Other Diseases” she writes about the importance of papaya juice during the transition phase.
I believe there are more references to her papaya and apple juice recipe, “Fermentgold” in her German books.
Best wishes
Julie, UK
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Frances