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how to calculate a filter capacitor by LTSpice ?
LTspice is a simulator, not a circuit
designer. It's up to you to calculate the capacitor value. Your
simulation shows about 800 mV peak-to-peak with 1800 µF, so to
get 300 mV peak-to-peak, you need 8/3 times 1800 = 4800 µF. A
1N4148 is not a very good choice; because the inrush current at
switch-on would probably destroy it; a 1N4001 would be better, On 2024-12-16 10:17, jacfev via
groups.io wrote:
-- OOO - Own Opinions Only Best Wishes John Woodgate Keep trying |
LTspice does not "calculate" the value of the capacitor. It simply gives you the operating values with the parameters you have entered. It's up to you to modify whatever value (capacitance, load
resistance, voltage...) until the results reache a desired value. LTspice offers the possibility to test in a single simulation
several values. Check the .step command. Le 16/12/2024 à 11:17, jacfev via
groups.io a écrit :
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On 12/16/24 4:17 AM, jacfev via groups.io wrote:
Hello, Sounds like you need a primer on power supply design more than how to use simulation: https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Poptronics/70s/1975/Poptronics-1975-06.pdf -- http://davesrocketworks.com David Schultz |
On 16/12/2024 11:17, jacfev via
groups.io wrote:
In a diode rectifier circuit, the rectified signal is then filtered by a filter capacitor connected in parallel. How to calculate the minimum value of the filter capacitor by LTSpice?It is easy to calculate the (approximate) required capacitor value based on load current and input frequency: C ≅ Iload/(2*F*Vpp) where: Iload is DC load currentThe formula isn't exact as it assumes Vpp/Vrect → ∞, i.e. the ripple is linear sawtooth rather than exponential, but it's close enough given the tolerance of capacitors. You can parametrise this to put the value straight into schematic components, e.g.: C1 LOAD 0 {Cval} Rser=0 . . .param Freq 50 .param Vpp 100 .param Iload 1 .param Vrip 100m .param Cval Iload/(2*Freq*Vrip) -- Regards, Tony |
FYI - I'm seeing about 0.325 V p-p with your 4500 uF capacitor, so it is not quite large enough to get the ripple under 0.30 V. The comment on your schematic is incorrect.
LTspice is good for doing "what-if" experiments, to verify a circuit after doing the calculations yourself. Some people even use LTspice as a design aide, by running repeated trial-and-error experiments until things work the way they want. It is not the best approach but it works. You could do that here by increasing the capacitor's value until the ripple is actually under 0.30 V.
Then bear in mind that the tolerance of electrolytic capacitors is poor, and your "4500 uF" capacitor might not be 4500 uF after all.
It's also worth a mention that the circuit might not have stabilized yet in only 100 ms. With the 1N4148 it was not, but it's better with the 1N4001 because its smaller resistance lets the capacitor charge faster.
Andy
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On 16/12/2024 15:06, jacfev via
groups.io wrote:
I uploaded a fixed version of your file to show you how it's done: rectification-filter_m3_ATC. I hadn't realised that your circuit was not a bridge rectifier, so the formula has to be reworked a bit to calculate the approximate capacitor value required. I also added two .MEAS directives, so you can inspect the measured ripple voltage and the calculated capacitance. Just press Ctrl-L to view the Error Log. Unfortunately, the "Load" parameter of the current source element isn't mentioned in the Help. It's to avoid any unexpected behaviour when V(load)=0, in some circumstances. -- Regards, Tony |
On 16/12/2024 16:28, Tony Casey wrote:
Also, as you used real diodes instead of ideal ones, the formula is less accurate, because the diode voltage isn't negligible compared to the peak input voltage. You can compensate, if necessary, for this in the formula, but it's hardly worthwhile given that the capacitors usually have quite a wide tolerance. It's definitely still useful as a first step in the design process. -- Regards,
Tony |
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