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As-if there is but ONE 'real' reason. ... as a page or two of the Repeater-Builder website appear in backdrop ... Not that many YouTubers bother to do any production background work, sourcing, validation... provide references. Thought: Vendors of different on-air technologies have done more than enough to segregate ('divide'? 'isolate') user communities, so each vendor immediately contributes to their own declining market share. More for the 'consumer' to choose from, and by making a choice, by that contributes to the issues. Brief nod to the circumstances of fewer/diminishing skilled resources. We're trying to get newcomers, anyone, to engage in learning what and how repeater systems are properly designed, built, implemented and maintained. The likes of Bridgecom and their system kits - absent any/all the critical nuances beyond the RF jack on the radio... not helping. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z6dvWxyCh0
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I believe newer licensees are also taking FCC rules about
prohibited transmissions, more seriously-
FCC 97.113,a,5
Gary
On 12/24/2024 11:42 AM, Jim Aspinwall
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As-if there is but ONE 'real' reason.
... as a page or two of the Repeater-Builder website appear in
backdrop ...
Not that many YouTubers bother to do any production background
work, sourcing, validation... provide references.
Thought: Vendors of different on-air technologies have done more
than enough to segregate ('divide'? 'isolate') user communities,
so each vendor immediately contributes to their own declining
market share. More for the 'consumer' to choose from, and by
making a choice, by that contributes to the issues.
Brief nod to the circumstances of fewer/diminishing skilled
resources. We're trying to get newcomers, anyone, to engage in
learning what and how repeater systems are properly designed,
built, implemented and maintained. The likes of Bridgecom and
their system kits - absent any/all the critical nuances beyond
the RF jack on the radio... not helping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z6dvWxyCh0
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Well, this touched a nerve for me.
George said "the number of people that know how to work on repeater equipment I think is going down." Well, yes, that is because they are becoming silent keys, and getting replaced by baofeng and anytone toting appliance operators. I doubt many of these hams own a DVM, much less the sophisticated test equipment required to set up and maintain repeaters. God forbid you ask them to solder something.
I believe that the covid pandemic did more damage to repeater operations than any of the "digital balkanization". People stopped driving, and if most of their repeater operation was done during commute time, that all went away. Despite all the "return to office" efforts by employers, people still are not commuting, or are commuting odd hours. I maintain or help to maintain several high-profile repeater systems in Metro Atlanta, FM and DMR, 144 and 440 -- there is very little traffic compared to 5 years ago. I listen to a dozen or more repeaters besides those on a scanner, there is very little traffic except for scheduled club nets. Nobody's driving, those who are are not talking.
As far as the "balkanization" goes, we've got D-Star and Fusion for hams, "pros" get DMR and APCO and Tetra and NXDN, all are using proprietary AMBE/AMBE + codecs, they are all largely a pain in the ass to setup and use, and have no cross-system compatibility. FM remains the only "common" mode. The digital balkanization was bad for digital voice users, not really of note to FM users.
When I got licensed, making a telephone call over autopatch was a really cool thing to do, people were impressed. Now everybody has a phone in their pocket, nobody is interested in autopatch any more, and that used to be a good reason to join a repeater group. Without a group of users willing to chip in, running repeater systems is an expensive proposition. Plenty of people bitch when the machine/s goes down, very few offer to help repair or pitch in cash to keep it running. I am getting too old and grumpy to love humping a 40 pound service monitor and another 20 pounds of tools to mountain tops or building roofs for a bunch of kerchunking lid appliance operators.
As far as the comments about repeater controller companies "going out of business," that is a story for another day.
If you want to fight back against "dead repeaters" -- PICK UP THE MIKE and START TALKING! Put your radio on scan and listen for traffic on more than just your favorite repeaters.
Merry New Year,
Jeff n1kdo
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I scan 36 repeaters. Other than a 9pm common net slot for 3 of them, it is rare to hear two at the same time. I am slowly dropping channels though, as the past few years have had a number of repeaters get linked together. I’m in a valley, yet is it a sweet spot in “the neighborhood,” that allows me or curses me, in overlap, where no other amateurs get the experience. Once a repeater gets linked, I drop it from my list. I’m a curmudgeon in that I have no interest in hearing “North America” on a repeater. I have HF for that. Likewise, there are some wonderful FM machines here with WIDE footprints, and they are getting linked. Once it happens, they lose a user, all in the name of giving some yahoo at the other end of the state, that never talks to anyone on this end, the “ability” to “talk across the state.” Again, I have HF for that. Another pet peeve, is hearing the incessant “I have an MD380 or an Anytone whatever.” Good for you. If that is the only thing you have to talk about, I don’t want to talk to you. I used to offer to program radios for people, it was new and they didn’t know how, but they haven’t learned, and don’t want to learn. The technical ability of amateurs has more than went down the toilet. Matt AL0R
From: repeater-builder@groups.io <repeater-builder@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Otterson n1kdo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2024 13:10
To: repeater-builder@groups.io
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] "The REAL Reason Repeaters Are Dead!" Well, this touched a nerve for me. George said "the number of people that know how to work on repeater equipment I think is going down." Well, yes, that is because they are becoming silent keys, and getting replaced by baofeng and anytone toting appliance operators. I doubt many of these hams own a DVM, much less the sophisticated test equipment required to set up and maintain repeaters. God forbid you ask them to solder something.
I believe that the covid pandemic did more damage to repeater operations than any of the "digital balkanization". People stopped driving, and if most of their repeater operation was done during commute time, that all went away. Despite all the "return to office" efforts by employers, people still are not commuting, or are commuting odd hours. I maintain or help to maintain several high-profile repeater systems in Metro Atlanta, FM and DMR, 144 and 440 -- there is very little traffic compared to 5 years ago. I listen to a dozen or more repeaters besides those on a scanner, there is very little traffic except for scheduled club nets. Nobody's driving, those who are are not talking. As far as the "balkanization" goes, we've got D-Star and Fusion for hams, "pros" get DMR and APCO and Tetra and NXDN, all are using proprietary AMBE/AMBE + codecs, they are all largely a pain in the ass to setup and use, and have no cross-system compatibility. FM remains the only "common" mode. The digital balkanization was bad for digital voice users, not really of note to FM users. When I got licensed, making a telephone call over autopatch was a really cool thing to do, people were impressed. Now everybody has a phone in their pocket, nobody is interested in autopatch any more, and that used to be a good reason to join a repeater group. Without a group of users willing to chip in, running repeater systems is an expensive proposition. Plenty of people bitch when the machine/s goes down, very few offer to help repair or pitch in cash to keep it running. I am getting too old and grumpy to love humping a 40 pound service monitor and another 20 pounds of tools to mountain tops or building roofs for a bunch of kerchunking lid appliance operators. As far as the comments about repeater controller companies "going out of business," that is a story for another day. If you want to fight back against "dead repeaters" -- PICK UP THE MIKE and START TALKING! Put your radio on scan and listen for traffic on more than just your favorite repeaters.
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This discussion sounds like "once they eliminated CW the ham bands sound just like CB". I'm up for wailing and lamenting but ... please let's have something positive like "pick up the mike and talk"!. Instead, be a LEADER and show people how it should be
done. Remember the kindly old gentleman that showed YOU the right way? *DO IT*! Don't be the a-hole that criticizes on the air but instead have a private conversation.
Oh, and you think this is new? Look up the history of the wouff-hong and the rettysnitch.
<soapbox mode off>
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I scan 36 repeaters. Other than a 9pm common net slot for 3 of them, it is rare to hear two at the same time. I am slowly dropping channels though, as the past few years have had a number of repeaters get linked together. I’m in a valley,
yet is it a sweet spot in “the neighborhood,” that allows me or curses me, in overlap, where no other amateurs get the experience. Once a repeater gets linked, I drop it from my list. I’m a curmudgeon in that I have no interest in hearing “North America” on
a repeater. I have HF for that. Likewise, there are some wonderful FM machines here with WIDE footprints, and they are getting linked. Once it happens, they lose a user, all in the name of giving some yahoo at the other end of the state, that never talks to
anyone on this end, the “ability” to “talk across the state.” Again, I have HF for that.
Another pet peeve, is hearing the incessant “I have an MD380 or an Anytone whatever.” Good for you. If that is the only thing you have to talk about, I don’t want to talk to you. I used to offer to program radios for people, it was new
and they didn’t know how, but they haven’t learned, and don’t want to learn. The technical ability of amateurs has more than went down the toilet.
Matt
AL0R
From:
repeater-builder@groups.io
<repeater-builder@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Otterson n1kdo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2024 13:10
To:
repeater-builder@groups.io
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] "The REAL Reason Repeaters Are Dead!"
Well, this touched a nerve for me.
George said "the number of people that know how to work on repeater equipment I think is going down." Well, yes, that is because they are becoming silent keys, and getting replaced by baofeng and anytone toting appliance operators. I
doubt many of these hams own a DVM, much less the sophisticated test equipment required to set up and maintain repeaters. God forbid you ask them to solder something.
I believe that the covid pandemic did more damage to repeater operations than any of the "digital balkanization". People stopped driving, and if most of their repeater operation was done during commute time, that all went away. Despite all the "return to
office" efforts by employers, people still are not commuting, or are commuting odd hours. I maintain or help to maintain several high-profile repeater systems in Metro Atlanta, FM and DMR, 144 and 440 -- there is very little traffic compared to 5 years ago.
I listen to a dozen or more repeaters besides those on a scanner, there is very little traffic except for scheduled club nets. Nobody's driving, those who are are not talking.
As far as the "balkanization" goes, we've got D-Star and Fusion for hams, "pros" get DMR and APCO and Tetra and NXDN, all are using proprietary AMBE/AMBE + codecs, they are all largely a pain in the ass to setup and use, and have no cross-system
compatibility. FM remains the only "common" mode. The digital balkanization was bad for digital voice users, not really of note to FM users.
When I got licensed, making a telephone call over autopatch was a really cool thing to do, people were impressed. Now everybody has a phone in their pocket, nobody is interested in autopatch any more, and that used to be a good reason
to join a repeater group. Without a group of users willing to chip in, running repeater systems is an expensive proposition. Plenty of people bitch when the machine/s goes down, very few offer to help repair or pitch in cash to keep it running. I am getting
too old and grumpy to love humping a 40 pound service monitor and another 20 pounds of tools to mountain tops or building roofs for a bunch of kerchunking lid appliance operators.
As far as the comments about repeater controller companies "going out of business," that is a story for another day.
If you want to fight back against "dead repeaters" -- PICK UP THE MIKE and START TALKING! Put your radio on scan and listen for traffic on more than just your favorite repeaters.
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"... taking FCC rules ... more seriously-"
Naw - using ham gear for GMRS, local VFD, SAR, MURS... that's what the 'MARS' mods are there for - right? [sic]
Given all the self-admitted off-ham programming and allegedly use - it won't surprise me if there's eventually an 'advisory' about this - and the snarky reactions "they have to find me first..."
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No kidding. Here in central Alabama, it's constant radio checks,
and appliance users declaring they were just checking the repeater
because they were "bored". "I just got a new radio" (I don't
care). "I'm mobile" (I don't care). "I just got a new antenna" (I
don't care). I didn't invest thousands in my tower, antennas,
Heliax, radios, etc. to hear small minds dominate the airwaves
with their grocery store and doctor's office trips information (I
just don't care, and probably no one else does).
It's the same licensees all the time. I believe most are
disgusted by the nonsense, too, but they never say anything. New
licensees come on line and hear the nonsense, and think that's
what the Amateur Radio Service is all about.
Gary
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I scan 36 repeaters. Other than a 9pm
common net slot for 3 of them, it is rare to hear two at the
same time. I am slowly dropping channels though, as the past
few years have had a number of repeaters get linked together.
I’m in a valley, yet is it a sweet spot in “the neighborhood,”
that allows me or curses me, in overlap, where no other
amateurs get the experience. Once a repeater gets linked, I
drop it from my list. I’m a curmudgeon in that I have no
interest in hearing “North America” on a repeater. I have HF
for that. Likewise, there are some wonderful FM machines here
with WIDE footprints, and they are getting linked. Once it
happens, they lose a user, all in the name of giving some
yahoo at the other end of the state, that never talks to
anyone on this end, the “ability” to “talk across the state.”
Again, I have HF for that.
Another pet peeve, is hearing the incessant
“I have an MD380 or an Anytone whatever.” Good for you. If
that is the only thing you have to talk about, I don’t want to
talk to you. I used to offer to program radios for people, it
was new and they didn’t know how, but they haven’t learned,
and don’t want to learn. The technical ability of amateurs has
more than went down the toilet.
Matt
AL0R
From: repeater-builder@groups.io
<repeater-builder@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff
Otterson n1kdo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2024 13:10
To: repeater-builder@groups.io
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] "The REAL Reason
Repeaters Are Dead!"
Well, this touched a nerve for me.
George said "the number of people that
know how to work on repeater equipment I think is going
down." Well, yes, that is because they are becoming
silent keys, and getting replaced by baofeng and anytone
toting appliance operators. I doubt many of these hams
own a DVM, much less the sophisticated test
equipment required to set up and maintain repeaters. God
forbid you ask them to solder something.
I believe that the covid pandemic did more damage to
repeater operations than any of the "digital
balkanization". People stopped driving, and if most of
their repeater operation was done during commute time,
that all went away. Despite all the "return to office"
efforts by employers, people still are not commuting, or
are commuting odd hours. I maintain or help to maintain
several high-profile repeater systems in Metro Atlanta, FM
and DMR, 144 and 440 -- there is very little traffic
compared to 5 years ago. I listen to a dozen or more
repeaters besides those on a scanner, there is very little
traffic except for scheduled club nets. Nobody's driving,
those who are are not talking.
As far as the "balkanization" goes,
we've got D-Star and Fusion for hams, "pros" get DMR and
APCO and Tetra and NXDN, all are using proprietary
AMBE/AMBE + codecs, they are all largely a pain in the ass
to setup and use, and have no cross-system compatibility.
FM remains the only "common" mode. The digital
balkanization was bad for digital voice users, not really
of note to FM users.
When I got licensed, making a telephone
call over autopatch was a really cool thing to do, people
were impressed. Now everybody has a phone in their
pocket, nobody is interested in autopatch any more, and
that used to be a good reason to join a repeater group.
Without a group of users willing to chip in, running
repeater systems is an expensive proposition. Plenty of
people bitch when the machine/s goes down, very few offer
to help repair or pitch in cash to keep it running. I am
getting too old and grumpy to love humping a 40 pound
service monitor and another 20 pounds of tools to mountain
tops or building roofs for a bunch of kerchunking lid
appliance operators.
As far as the comments about repeater
controller companies "going out of business," that is a
story for another day.
If you want to fight back against "dead
repeaters" -- PICK UP THE MIKE and START TALKING! Put
your radio on scan and listen for traffic on more than
just your favorite repeaters.
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We know this 'pain' - at least for now more moving out of California than becoming SK, but both conditions are definitely noticed amid multiple station/club/coordination transfers.
Abandoned systems/pairs? We've got a group or two of aggressive pair-chasers putting up garage boxes for no apparent reason, indicating they're at X, Y or Z site - which we know they are not.
Two Motorola techs who were present during a recent ham install... asked them about their jobs... "you've seen what this is on the service scope right..?" Nope - installers/techs seem to be more what we in I.T. data center and client support refer to as "smart hands." New gear arrives, go to site X, rack 5, 3rd unit down, swap it out, follow the go/no-go check list - phone engineering support as needed, we'll dispatch an 'engineer' if needed.
Not everything is/can be an appliance operator/plug-n-play, yet here we are.
On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 11:10 AM, Jeff Otterson n1kdo wrote:
Well, yes, that is because they are becoming silent keys, and getting replaced by baofeng and anytone toting appliance operators. I doubt many of these hams own a DVM, much less the sophisticated test equipment required to set up and maintain repeaters. God forbid you ask them to solder something.
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“to hear small minds dominate the airwaves with their grocery store and doctor's office trips information (I just don't care, and probably no one else does).” I wasn’t alive yet in the early 70’s, but I asked an older friend recently if he was interested in getting back on the air. He said: “Is 2 M still nothing but people asking where the cheaper gas is?” I asked what that was about, and he said that during the oil crisis back then, that’s all he heard on his local repeater… people talking about gas prices. So, maybe the conversations that bug you aren’t a new thing. ON my local repeater, every few days someone will key up, start a conversation with somebody, and I guarantee that within five minutes one of them will say: “We’d better get off of here in case someone needs the repeater…” they clear, and the repeater is completely dead until the weekly club net. News flash: Nobody else needs the repeater and if they do, they’ll key up and say something. Talk! Keep talking! Use the resources people have made available to you.
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Back in the '60s and '70s repeaters were novelties.. along with auto patch and some other features.. by the mid90s auto patch was starting to go away... My two meter repeater consisted of the normal drive time folks, going to work and coming home... Those of us in college or not retired would be monitoring in case somebody popped up.. Now though that's gone because there's not any young blood getting in the hobby. When I got my ticket I was 14. When I show up at a hamfest or happening I feel like I'm still one of the youngest there at 66... Because this area I'm in doesn't get youngsters involved, they get the retired friends involved who keep the license for maybe a year or two then get out and the license expires or they become a silent key... Sad....isn't it? I mostly build and occasionally talk even on my own repeaters...I'm one of those who follow the fourth repeater-ism, blessed are those who do a lot of listening and very little transmitting... 😂 I do enjoy getting on 10 m and working the repeaters there usually cuz there's almost always somebody there versus the locals.. sometimes I wish I had a multi mode in the work van but there is no room for an HF rig.... One of my 2M repeaters is locally tied to the east coast reflector on All Star so it's constantly busy, usually with radio checks or signal reports. Really folks? You couldn't do that on a local repeater not tied to a reflector that has a thousand nodes on it? Sad....... Well it's time for my HF Nets to start up so I'm off... Merry Christmas to all
Chris WB5ITT Trustee W5APX WRXZ789 GMRS
“to hear small minds dominate the airwaves with their grocery store and doctor's office trips information (I just don't care, and probably no one else does).” I wasn’t alive yet in the early 70’s, but I asked an older friend recently if he was interested in getting back on the air. He said: “Is 2 M still nothing but people asking where the cheaper gas is?” I asked what that was about, and he said that during the oil crisis back then, that’s all he heard on his local repeater… people talking about gas prices. So, maybe the conversations that bug you aren’t a new thing. ON my local repeater, every few days someone will key up, start a conversation with somebody, and I guarantee that within five minutes one of them will say: “We’d better get off of here in case someone needs the repeater…” they clear, and the repeater is completely dead until the weekly club net. News flash: Nobody else needs the repeater and if they do, they’ll key up and say something. Talk! Keep talking! Use the resources people have made available to you.
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I would rather hear people talk about the weather, gas prices, food prices, anything rather than hear nothing on the repeaters. Repeaters are a social gathering of sorts. Our local club operates 8 repeaters. There are also 5 or 6 other repeaters in our area. One of our repeaters is linked full time to 8 other machines. There are times we go for hours hearing only the repeaters ID. Perhaps if those people who find talking about the weather so distressing would get over themselves and start conversations, we might see more activity.
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I had a ham call me one day and ask me if I knew that there were 2 hams on my 6 meter repeater every night around 1AM talking all night about nothing. He asked me if a wanted to do anything about it. I said yes, do you have an off switch on your radio?
Joe, K1ike
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On 12/24/2024 7:26 PM, Tom Cole wrote: I would rather hear people talk about the weather, gas prices, food prices, anything rather than hear nothing on the repeaters.
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Those of you with 10 M FM, try 29.64. VE3MMX is a giant system and busy almost all the time, with lots of DX.
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Good for you. We used to have a local ham who talked almost all night every night about anything and everything, both on the local repeaters and on HF. He would talk to drivers coming through the area, and probably was keeping them awake. That’s what the hobby is supposed to be. My primary use of the repeaters outside of when we activate Skywarn is to ragchew when out in the mobile. In my opinion, the more active the repeater is, the better.
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On Dec 24, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Joe <k1ike_mail@...> wrote:
I had a ham call me one day and ask me if I knew that there were 2 hams on my 6 meter repeater every night around 1AM talking all night about nothing. He asked me if a wanted to do anything about it. I said yes, do you have an off switch on your radio?
Joe, K1ike
On 12/24/2024 7:26 PM, Tom Cole wrote:
I would rather hear people talk about the weather, gas prices, food prices, anything rather than hear nothing on the repeaters.
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Following the FCC rules as written, doesn't equate to licensees
not "getting over themselves". Our license is issued to us after
we've proven (by testing), we know the rules, and promise to abide
by them. It's no different than testing for, and earning a drivers
license. An Amateur Radio Service license doesn't give one a right
to violate the rules.
A good repeater is like a good refrigerator. It's full of food,
but it doesn't mean it's not serving a purpose if you aren't
constantly taking food out, and eating it. Or, opening the door to
see if it's still making cold air. You can also look at a well
maintained repeater the same way you view a good fire hydrant.
In reality, a "dead repeater" is sitting ready for emergency (or
other FCC-authorized) use. If someone has an uncontrollable need
to push-to-talk and let-go-to-listen, the FCC wants them to use
other radio services. The FCC's basis, purpose, and authorized use
of the Amateur frequencies is well documented. Amateur CB radio
clubs aren't authorized in the FCC rules to designate their
repeaters for gossiping and jaw-jacking.
There's nothing honorable about encouraging new licensees to
violate the FCC rules.
Gary
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I would rather hear people talk about the weather, gas
prices, food prices, anything rather than hear nothing on the
repeaters. Repeaters are a social gathering of sorts. Our local
club operates 8 repeaters. There are also 5 or 6 other repeaters
in our area. One of our repeaters is linked full time to 8 other
machines. There are times we go for hours hearing only the
repeaters ID. Perhaps if those people who find talking about the
weather so distressing would get over themselves and start
conversations, we might see more activity.
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In reality, a "dead repeater" is sitting ready for emergency (or other FCC-authorized) use. If someone has an uncontrollable need to push-to-talk and let-go-to-listen, the FCC wants them to use other radio services. Is this part of your pitch to people considering getting their ham license? It would sure put me off. Or, perhaps I misunderstood your point. Warning: The following link will take you to a satirical article. CANADA OFFERS NEW CLASS OF AMATEUR RADIO LICENSE
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I have never heard anything on any of our repeaters that violate the FCC rules. If a repeater is not used regularly then you have no way of knowing it will work in an emergency. That’s why fire hydrants are tested regularly. The same for repeaters. Obviously, you just don’t like listening to the talk on repeaters and haven’t found your off switch.
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A lot of interesting comments on this thread. I hope it doesn't make the usual drift.
The W6MEP repeater is a what is probably considered a "High Profile" repeater in that it's on Mt. Wilson. It gets very little use. In fact most of the High Profile repeaters in Southern California seem to get little use, other than the few nets on them.
I spend a lot of time monitoring W6MEP. When I hear someone come on saying, "Radio Check" I will first assume they are a licensed Ham and I'll come back to them asking them to please repeat their call. About 90 percent of the time they will give their call and tell me they just got a new radio. Sometimes they have a good quality radio, more often an entry level radio.
Anyway I give them a report and then welcome them to the repeater and explain that W6MEP is an open repeater and intended to be a "social gathering place" for licensed Hams. If I have time to chat I try to engage them in conversation. You can tell if they're a new ham because they don't know what the accepted practice is for "rag chewing" (which is a weird term, in my opinion). They almost always thank me for the "warm welcome." If they don't have a call then I explain that they need to have an Amateur Radio license to operate their radio in the Ham bands. More often than not they thank me and disappear.
If I hear someone say they need to QSY to leave the repeater available for emergency use I jump in and explain that if someone has an emergency or needs the repeater, they'll say so. Don run off. Most of the time they'll stay.
A few times I've privately been told that so and so gets on the repeater and talks about nothing of interest. I suggest they join in and try to steer the conversation. As we get older our conversation have drifted from, what antenna we're using, or what tube we're using in our amplifier to, (pointing to one's elbow) Do you ever get a bump here?
I've read all of the comments and agree with most of them. Actually what I see all around me, not just on radio, is that people have lost the "art" of talking to each other in real time. How sad. We're herd creatures, or at least we're supposed to be. We really need to reach out to each other.
Since are carcasses have supposedly evolved over time for our needs to survive, I suspect that eventually our tongues will fall out and our fingers will become more pointy.
Burt, K6OQK
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I wish most repeaters were PL'd. One of my repeaters reaches into Idaho. Mine is on 146.73 (with PL) and they have one on 146.74, no PL. When someone in Idaho is trying to get into my repeater, they often bring up the '74. It has been this way for more than 20 years. I tried years ago to get them to PL their repeater and they won't do it. So I considerate their problem, not mine.
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Boone WB5ITT via groups.io" To: repeater-builder@groups.io Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2024 02:48:36 AM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] "The REAL Reason Repeaters Are Dead!" Wish they would PL the thing...10m rptrs running COS is just .......stupid IMPO
On Tue, Dec 24, 2024, 7:10 PM Chris Smart via groups.io > winsystem.org@groups.io> wrote:
Those of you with 10 M FM, try 29.64. VE3MMX is a giant system and
busy almost all the time, with lots of DX.
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