You're lucky - the closest one to me is in Gillette, WY, which is almost 600 miles away.

Thankfully I have a Menards about 30 miles from me that I pass by often so I had mine shipped to the store for free.

Unfortunately. the shipping (for 4 units) is as much as the cost of the items.

Menards (in the USA) today had the flexible LED goose neck lights on sale (7W) for $3.99 each. I just ordered 20 of them for my shop equipment. They are selling fast so I thought I would pass it along in case come one here is looking for equipment lighting..

 

https://www.menards.com/main/lighting-ceiling-fans/indoor-lighting/lamps/table-lamps/flexible-gooseneck-led-lamp/68769g/p-1642874340851661-c-7497.htm

I have purchased all but one time the longest.

 

The reason is very simple space. In retirement you could find a location may not have room for bigger lathes  so decide on a  8" x 14" and can do milling too. It will fit in a 36" Aumawal or weight like on a install field pickup 🚚/boat 🛥/airplane 🛬 maybe for class room ♜ 

 

Dave 

Grizzly G4003 Lathe-modifications to RideTheGearTrain

(free online to calculate the change gears needed to cut a thread.

I had quite a busy time in the days leading up to Christmas. I had contacts from a couple of people who needed their lathe gearboxes added to the program (RideTheGearTrain).  One lathe had crazy features I had not heard of before. It was a Chinese-made Grizzly G4003 (2005) model sold by the American Grizzly company.

 

The spindle shaft is 16mm and the leadscrew shaft is 19mm, so they have two sets of change gears. This meant that I had to modify the program to handle it.  It would have been a huge job to re-write the whole program, but not long ago I added a filter system. The user enters ALL their change gears initially, but they also click the button, currently labeled "Exclude Large gears", and here the user can enter a separate list of gears permitted for each position (or stud) in the gear train. If the program produces results with gears that are NOT permitted in any position, those results are deleted (filtered out) and only the reduced list of results is displayed.  

 

I added this filtering system a few months ago to prevent the display of results where a gear is too large to fit on the machine. A user had this problem.  So the user enters a size limit (by number of teeth) for any position they want restricted.  For example on some lathes there is a casting near the stud gear that prevents large gears from being fitted. If the size limit for the stud gear is 60 teeth, then the user enters 60 as the maximum size for the stud gear. Results using larger gears are filtered out.

 

An advancement on this idea was to actually measure the distance between studs on the banjo, and from the DP (Diametral Pitch of the gears) the size of gears can be calculated.  When there are gears on two 'studs' (or shafts) on the banjo, the radius of each gear is proportional to the number of teeth on that gear. The space required is the sum of the two radii. We can use the sum of the teeth on the two gears and from that calculate whether the two gears will fit between the two studs. If they don't fit, the filter program will remove the results from the list of results to be displayed.

 

This method is rather complicated and I doubt whether anyone uses it. I haven't had any feedback about it. I did not have my Boxford in Tennessee when I wrote this. Now I am in New Zealand I could measure my lathe and see if it works. It probably isn't foolproof because fitting one pair of large gears on the banjo will limit how much room is available for the next pair. We could add up the teeth of ALL the gears on the gear train, but that would only work if the gears are arranged in s straight line, which they are not. Some more thought may be required.

 

Going back to the weird Grizzly lathe, it has another quirk.  It is fitted with a 91/86 compound pair for imperial to metric conversion.  It is designed in such a way that this gear cannot be flipped over. RideTheGearTrain automatically tries flipping over compound pairs and it is quite surprising to me that it produces nearly as many results with the conversion gear flipped.  A conversion gear with a ratio approximating 1.27 is fairly close to 1.25 which happens to be quite handy!  So, how can we prevent RideTheGearTrain from displaying results with this gear flipped?  Easy. Just use the filter system to tell the program to filter out any results where the gear in position Compound 2 (comp2) is larger than 87. 

 

Now with this filter system we can accommodate this peculiar lathe.  Now I understand better why it is done this way. The gears designed to go on the leadscrew shaft have a long extended boss on one side - like a built-in spacer. If you put it with the spaced to the right, the gear engages with the metric conversion gear. If you flip the leadscrew gear over, so that the spacer is on the left, it now meshes with the gear on the compound pair which acts as an idler. This is used for cutting imperial threads. These leadscrew gears with the extensions cannot be used as stud gears.  So, this lathe comes with two of these leadscrew gears and 6 change gears for the stud gear position.

 

 

Now comes the question, why do they use a 91/86 compound pair.  The gear ratio is 1.058139534883721   The answer can be found if you click the button labelled 'Metric-Imperial Conversion' (which I described in a previous post but now we have a real world application).  There you will find a table produced from an equation I derived.  

 

I used PhotoShop to make a copy of this table as a JPEG file (.jpg) but groups.io says "Dropped file type is not supported"!  What!  So I tried JPEG2000, and finally loaded .PNG but get the same message. Whether you get it is a matter of luck!) I wonder if the message is too long.

 

 

R= 25.4 / (Li * Lm)

 

 

The Grizzly lathe has an 8 TPI imperial leadscrew, so look down the column marked 8TPI. You will find a ratio that is very similar: 1.0583333. The difference between these numbers is incredibly small at 0.0183%.  Now look across this row where it says 3mm.  What does this mean?  Well, it means that this gear combination will convert an 8TPI leadscrew to behave like a good French metric leadscrew with a pitch of 3mm (just like the metric Boxford).  In the above equation Li is the TPI of the imperial leadscrew, and Lm is the pitch of the metric leadscrew.  What if they had used the standard conversion gear 127/100 with its ratio of 1.27.  You can see from this table that it makes an 8TPI leadscrew behave like a 2.5mm metric leadscrew.  

 

If you want to use RideTheGearTrain to find a suitable compound pair for any application, you can enter the ratio (scroll down to the bottom of the page). The program then produces a list of gear sizes that will approximate this ratio. If we enter 1.0583333 as in the above example, it displays a long list of compound pairs that you could use. Alongside each pair you see the amount of error produced. The smallest errors are displayed in red. Now scroll down this list to find the smallest error. Guess what! The smallest error is for the conversion gear 91/86 with -0.0183% error!  That is the best choice.

 

Merry Christmas and happy New Year

 

Evan Lewis

Lathe: 1955 Boxford Model A with screw cutting gearbox, power feed with several accessories, hand tools and a pillar drill press.
Try my Free Online Gear train Software:https://RideTheGearTrain.com
You enter a thread pitch or TPI and it shows you a range of gear trains and gearbox setting to use and even a scale drawing of the gear train.
It also includes calculations for taper turning by the tailstock offset method, and cutting speeds.
It includes the specifications for many thread types eg metric, UNC, BSW, and BA.
Displays drill sizes for tapping threads at any percent thread depth (with full explanations).
My YouTube Channel and Playlist about using an engineers lathe:  https://www.Youtube.com/evan-e-cent
Project to build a Greek Hero steam engine and measure its power output: https://HeroSteamEngine.com

In in shop was a machinist did haveva fling Damage to electronic devices as raised about Electronic Vernier Calipers and 6 hours of more work and tilling the Forman his high quality Habor Freight Electronic Vernier Caliper did not work after flying ✈ 

 

I am the Forman said that's OK  or maybe if you bring a Habor Freight Electronic Vernier Caliper junk again it is your $^%%%^ .

 

Dave 

 

What is a "digital motor"? As far as I'm aware, here in Australia the C3P has a 350w brushed motor and the SC3 has a 500w brushless motor. I have not heard of anyone having to replace the brushless motor but on YouTube there are many transplanting different motors to replace the 350w one which has "smoked"

Roy

 

👍😂

 

Jeff

Wishful thinking!

 

What usually happens is you'll find a project you  really want to do that's bigger than your lathe can handle. That's apparently one of the constants of the universe😉 

 

On one (shipboard) shop I ran, the largest lathe was 54"x120" - we'd still manage to get jobs that had to be sent out to a shop with bigger machinery.

 

Roy

David, do you have the original motor in your lathe? Has it given you any problems?

So. The maximums which i would ever need to machine would be 25mm steel shafted approximately 280mm long and I would like to be able to make belt grinder pulleys from aluminium,  the largest being 100mm dia x 70 mm thick.

Don't forget after you have bought the lathe you will need tools, cutting and measuring equipment, this can add up to quite a bit, but at least you can buy them as you need them.

Old Boilermaker,

 

1 - Any lathe is better than no lathe

 

2 - Buy the best that your budget allows

 

3 - Yes, a longer bed is better, and makes life a lot easier, but as said previously you can get pretty innovative with a shorter bed.  Also, working around those limitations will make you a better machinist, but be careful don't get hurt.  You do learn to think outside the box though! 😁

 

4 - As mentioned, your new toy will probably need some TLC right out of the box, but that's part of the fun!  There are tons of mods you can make, and tons of YT videos showing some of these.  My first lathe (7X14) transformed into an amazing machine.  I still have it and still use it more than my other, bigger machines.  I have a special connection with that little bad boy.

 

5 - Just keep in mind that you can make small parts on big lathe, but you can't make big parts on a small lathe.

 

Good luck with whatever you choose and have fun!  For me it's like playing golf - I'm not making any money doing it, so I just have fun.  By the way, I really suck at golf!  😂

 

Jeff

But the best you can aford, more powerful motor is a nice upgrade. 

Allen Gentz,Us boilermakers are a dying race that's for sure.