On Aug 11, 2024, at 11:01 AM, William Blocher <wjb1060@...> wrote:



Hello Group,

Just wondering what the down side would be to using my Haas VF2 and mounting a plasma cutter to the quill?  I was thinking of putting a 15 X 20 water tray on the table.   This must be a bad idea because I can't find anybody on YouTube that has done this.  I'd appreciate anybody's opinion.   I don't have experience with plasma cutters but I've got a customer with a lot of smaller parts (3/16 thick 304ss) that just wouldn't be practical to mill. 

 

Thanks in advance,

Bill

I'm in the process of moving my shop about 100 miles.  It's quite
possible to do this by yourself with some thought and the right
equipment.  Forklifts make life very easy, but are not essential
(although if you can get one, do it).

I'm using skates, a toe jack, a johnson bar and a drop deck trailer and
just moved a mill yesterday.  I use a chainfall to pull the machine
up onto the trailer deck and then chain it down with binders and add
a couple ratchet straps for good measure.  If you're carrying a load
you want it to be part of the trailer.  I once saw a trailer carrying
a backhoe flipped over and the backhoe was still attached even though
it was upside down.  I try to ensure anything I'm towing is fastened
similarly.

You need a proper vehicle though.  I've carried 3000 pounds lathes
in the bed of my dually pickup without issues.  Towing 5 or 6
thousand pounds gross weight is not an issue either.

Or, just look for a local rigger and use the universal tool: money.
Sit back and watch them take care of it.  I had a machine moved
cross country and the local rigger took care of it from the trucking
terminal to my shop.  I just pointed to where it should sit.
Didn't even break a sweat :-)

Do make sure the rigger is insured and reputable.  I once had
a guy drop a 3000 pound lathe 3 feet onto asphalt when his strap
slipped (no damage, although the asphalt gave a little).  At
least it didn't slip when it was 6 feet in the air.

  Paul

On Fri, Nov 04, 2022 at 05:27:12PM -0700, Tom Harrison wrote:
> Last time I bought a large piece (an Eagle 400 mill), the seller arranged
> for the truck to deliver it, and I arranged to rent a large forklift to
> remove it from the truck. I was surprised that the delivery of the forklift
> did not include OPERATING the forklift, but the driver WOULD explain best
> practices (like, DO NOT LIFT FROM THE BOTTOM, but instead use the mill top
> lift point). He explained the controls, because I had never driven a fork
> lift before, and this unit had to be carefully moved deep into my shop barn.
> End result? No problem, no damage, nothing knocked over, didn't fall into
> the 6' maintenance pit, etc. All went fine. Total moving cost, across town,
> less than $700, not counting my nervous sweat.
>
> You can do it. Just ask a lot of questions, and go slow.
>
> Tom Harrison
>
> At 2022-11-04 06:45, Tim Goldstein wrote:
> >You can have equipment like this shipped without crating. I have done it a
> >number of times. On the recipient end contact some of your local rigging
> >companies and tell them you are looking to have a piece of equipment
> >shipped to you. The ones who can arrange for this will want to know what
> >the item is, where it is coming from, where it is going to, and details
> >such as type of facility (appears to be residential on both ends), if
> >there is a loading dock at either end, if there is equipment to load and
> >unload the machinery on both ends, etc. I am guessing you could use a
> >rigging company on the senders end, but I have always used a rigger local
> >to me as it was easier to work with and know they are reputable.Tim G
> >
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> >
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I use either pipe rollers or skates for moving around onsite.  If using skates, use only three for something like a Bridgeport, not 4.  The slightest imperfection in the flatness of a concrete surface will cause one skate to drop out if placed in all four corners. Then your machine will tip over.

Have crated several machines for transport long distance, lifted locally by crane equipped trucks.  For one expensive VMC purchased in Australia, I travelled there to pack it myself by wrapping it up with many sheets of 2inch thick polystyrene sheet, which I later used for workshop insulation.  The machine was then rolled neatly into a shipping container, which container was then eventually set down on my driveway, after a sea voyage that I could follow online.

-Brian

I I once saw a trailer carrying
a backhoe flipped over and the backhoe was still attached even though
it was upside down. I try to ensure anything I'm towing is fastened
similarly.



Paul

Last time I bought a large piece (an Eagle 400 mill), the seller arranged
for the truck to deliver it, and I arranged to rent a large forklift to
remove it from the truck. I was surprised that the delivery of the forklift
did not include OPERATING the forklift, but the driver WOULD explain best
practices (like, DO NOT LIFT FROM THE BOTTOM, but instead use the mill top
lift point). He explained the controls, because I had never driven a fork
lift before, and this unit had to be carefully moved deep into my shop barn.
End result? No problem, no damage, nothing knocked over, didn't fall into
the 6' maintenance pit, etc. All went fine. Total moving cost, across town,
less than $700, not counting my nervous sweat.

You can do it. Just ask a lot of questions, and go slow.

Tom Harrison

At 2022-11-04 06:45, Tim Goldstein wrote:

You can have equipment like this shipped without crating. I have done it a
number of times. On the recipient end contact some of your local rigging
companies and tell them you are looking to have a piece of equipment
shipped to you. The ones who can arrange for this will want to know what
the item is, where it is coming from, where it is going to, and details
such as type of facility (appears to be residential on both ends), if
there is a loading dock at either end, if there is equipment to load and
unload the machinery on both ends, etc. I am guessing you could use a
rigging company on the senders end, but I have always used a rigger local
to me as it was easier to work with and know they are reputable.Tim G

Autistic, He/Him/His

<http://www.timgoldstein.com/>www.TimGoldstein.com

Neurodiverse Communication Specialist – Emotional Speaking

Author - Speaker - Trainer - Consultant - Vocal Coach

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Last time I bought a large piece (an Eagle 400 mill), the seller arranged for the truck to deliver it, and I arranged to rent a large forklift to remove it from the truck. I was surprised that the delivery of the forklift did not include OPERATING the forklift, but the driver WOULD explain best practices (like, DO NOT LIFT FROM THE BOTTOM, but instead use the mill top lift point). He explained the controls, because I had never driven a fork lift before, and this unit had to be carefully moved deep into my shop barn. End result? No problem, no damage, nothing knocked over, didn't fall into the 6' maintenance pit, etc. All went fine. Total moving cost, across town, less than $700, not counting my nervous sweat.

You can do it. Just ask a lot of questions, and go slow.

Tom Harrison

At 2022-11-04 06:45, Tim Goldstein wrote:

You can have equipment like this shipped without crating. I have done it a number of times. On the recipient end contact some of your local rigging companies and tell them you are looking to have a piece of equipment shipped to you. The ones who can arrange for this will want to know what the item is, where it is coming from, where it is going to, and details such as type of facility (appears to be residential on both ends), if there is a loading dock at either end, if there is equipment to load and unload the machinery on both ends, etc. I am guessing you could use a rigging company on the senders end, but I have always used a rigger local to me as it was easier to work with and know they are reputable.Tim G

Autistic, He/Him/His

www.TimGoldstein.com

Neurodiverse Communication Specialist – Emotional Speaking

Author - Speaker - Trainer - Consultant - Vocal Coach

You can have equipment like this shipped without crating. I have done it a number of times. On the recipient end contact some of your local rigging companies and tell them you are looking to have a piece of equipment shipped to you. The ones who can arrange for this will want to know what the item is, where it is coming from, where it is going to, and details such as type of facility (appears to be residential on both ends), if there is a loading dock at either end, if there is equipment to load and unload the machinery on both ends, etc. I am guessing you could use a rigging company on the senders end, but I have always used a rigger local to me as it was easier to work with and know they are reputable.Tim G

Autistic, He/Him/His

www.TimGoldstein.com

Neurodiverse Communication Specialist – Emotional Speaking

Author - Speaker - Trainer - Consultant - Vocal Coach