Please refer to the linked workbook. R1b-CTS4466+ BAM Tracker I have updated the tracker to consolidate some information on the FTDNA tab and added a "hs1 Complete?" column, which indicates that all Y DNA reads from any test have been merged into a single CRAM file, maximizing covered regions for joint genotyping. This file will be used to call the entire group in a single pass for every SNP found in any sample. The joint calling process is scheduled to begin on New Year's Eve morning. Thank you, James

Merry Post-Christmas, I'm excited to announce a new view and features for the CTS4466 test data collected at YDNA-Warehouse with the launch of the Study system. For project members: Enhanced Data Visibility: Easily see which kits are in the warehouse and which test files have been uploaded. Access STR Chart data for Big Y Panels 6 and 7, currently unavailable from FTDNA. Download this data as a CSV file if desired. Utilize the internal mail system to contact close SNP matches tested outside of FTDNA. (Note: This feature requires the original warehouse submitter to have re-registered.) Customized Data Display: Control which data fields are displayed in the chart on the Studies tab: "Show Test Kits": Display your kit numbers at various labs (default: off). "Details": Show additional information about your most distant known paternal ancestor. "Show MDKA Origin": Display or hide the country of origin. "Show MDKA Birth Year": Display or hide the birth year. Note: Publicly turning on these options will make them visible to everyone on the Internet. The same experience as with FTDNA's projects. For project admins: Enhanced Project Management: Access the "Actions" drop-down menu: View SNPs: Generate a "Shared SNP" report for the participant. Move to Subgroup: Move participants to a different subgroup (note: everyone starts at their terminal SNP). Remove Member: Remove a member from the study. Contact Member: Use the internal mail system to contact them. View CRAM (disabled currently): View data in BAM submissions after realignment (coming soon). Investigator Settings: Update displayed fields on the Studies list. Update Membership Criteria: Access the Rules Engine to define study visibility. Add additional investigators to the Study (system admin only). Important Note: Participation in this site is entirely voluntary. If you're satisfied with FTDNA's Projects, please continue using their platform. This is an alternative that aims to address some of their perceived shortcomings. Thank you to all participants and those who have shared their data for this project. Sincerely, James Kane

There are ten days remaining on the collection round. Other than the last two received, everyone is I have is updated in the tracker sheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lSZjHby-vS5Qf4PGpWyd3xEmqPLw41W9Vg8utzHi7gY/edit?usp=sharing If you miss the bus, it will be summer 2025 before there is another opportunity at the soonest. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far. James Kane

I have created a Google Sheet to track this effort. You can check the status of a Big Y kit in the R1b-CTS4466+ Project, if you are due a free BAM from FTDNA, and if I have a copy analyzed already. The "Archive Prefix" column indicates I have retrieved a fresh BAM copy since 2024-11-26. The "BAM(s) Analyzed" are the tests I already have/had processed for this effort. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lSZjHby-vS5Qf4PGpWyd3xEmqPLw41W9Vg8utzHi7gY/edit?usp=sharing As always let me know if there are questions or concerns. Thanks, James

Hi James, Thank you for this massive project you are doing! I manage Kit 977130. Advanced perms were given to you. I also did not have the option to download the BAM file, but I did upload the VCF Big Y on ydna warehouse. Hope this helps!

James, I manage three files at FTDNA, Philip Millar: Kit No. B654981 , James Millar: Kit No. SI14537 and Jonathan Millar: Kit No. SI15654, access to those accounts have been set to 'Advanced', also, James and I are at the DNA Warehouse - I haven't got round to uploading Jono's file yet - do you have access to our info or do I need to do something else to help you? James, we're all A212s, I don't know if that is within the parameters of your current endeavor, if our info is, I hope it helps you. James, if I need to do anything else, for you to access our files, then just let me know. Slan go foill Phil

Hello cousins! Does anyone in the group have success stories to share, whether in the y line or aDNA? It might inspire some upgrades that could help the group :). For me, and I am American for context, my father's family always identified as Irish Catholic but with a surname that seemed at odds (Adams). Indepedent of DNA testing, via research and family lore, I found cousins in Armagh who said we were Quakers who converted to Catholicism in the late 18th century. Via DNA, I found a Scottish origin between the 1100s and 1200s, centered around Renfrewshire. Via this group's research, I suspect an early medieval Irish Gaelic origin, possibly from the Cianachta. On other lines, I sorted between two 18th century Campbell lines in colonial Virginia, found an ancestral "Indian princess" US line and found my wife's unexpected Jamaican African roots. Anyone else have useful revelations to share?

I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name. I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request. Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name? Regards, David J. Ring, Jr. Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.

I knew from family notes that my male ancestors were Ryan. I was told it was originally O'Ryan and anglicized to Ryan and from there to Ring. I always loved Munster cheese. So now I know why. I have not found any explanations of the results pages of the Y700 results, so I'm poking around and looking without any guide. Regards, DR Regards, David

I'm adopted. I've discovered my birth mother, but she's passed and I can't narrow down my father. Thru Ancestry I can narrow down relatives, but i'm 99% sure most are from my father's mother. Through 23andMe I've found out my that haplogroup is CTS4466 and only two men that I'm related to share that with me and share 3rd great grandparents. Both are named Gilliam. My observations tell me that my "terminal" haplogroup might not actually be CTS4466. Does this sound correct? Thank you, Rick Smith

We now have a Mooney sharing the same branch as Moynihan. The hope for this to happen was discussed in our post from October. Nigel, or anyone else, does the addition of Mr. Mooney give any further insight into this area of the Big Y Tree? Sue Minnehan

Hi Nigel, regarding my previous question about Fran’s new Moynihan Y-700 match and your comments, is it ok if I screenshot your comments and share them with the wife of Mr. Moynihan who I’m communicating with? Also would it be ok if I shared page 24 of your tree which shows where these branches are located, as well as page 1 with your note #26. I’m also thinking of sending this information to Fran’s two Mooney Y-111 matches as maybe it would make them consider upgrading to Y-700. Would that be ok? I appreciate all your assistance. Best regards, Sue Minnehan

Hi Espen, Yes, I know of Dr Tyrone Bowes and his various Origenes websites (IrishOrigenes, ScottishOrigenes and EnglishOrigenes). I met Dr Bowes at the 2nd Genetic Genealogy Ireland Conference in Dublin in October 2014 where he described his methodology. I followed up with him during the following year about aspects of this. Whilst genetic genealogy has exploded over the past 10 years, Dr Bowes methodology was then (and to a large extent is still) based on the longstanding associations between surnames and geographical locations. Even back in 2015 I was arguing with him that this was not applicable in all instances - ' I have to disagree to a certain extent with you about surnames and locations. I agree that some names, and some branches of other names, can and do have long-term associations with a given location but others have clearly been subjected to dispersal pressures after surnames were adopted (the Great Famine being a recent example of a series of similar crises). And, no doubt, some people would have been subject to similar pressures before the adoption of surnames if they were unlucky enough to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time? And now traceable through SNP's?'. I now realise that many of these dispersal pressures also occurred before the adoption of hereditary surnames. In the case of the A151+ sub-branches of of CTS4466 / A541, I think that that Dr Bowes' methodology may lead to misleading results given that much of the further branching of this line occurred before the adoption of hereditary surnames in Ireland, Britain or Scandinavia and also given the wide geographical spread of this haplotype across Ireland, Britain and Scandinavia over a thousand years ago This is further compounded by the relatively small numbers of men identified thus far in these sub-branches. Dr Bowes certainly produces very visually striking case reports as illustrated in the case studies on his web sites but I would be doubtful that you would learn much more from him than from this group and your Big Y.. We would definitely learn more if we could identify and test more men who are A151+! All the best, John Brazil. On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 5:43 PM Espen Solheim <espheim@...> wrote: Hi Hope all is well! Have a question regarding Irish origenes (https://www.irishorigenes.com/content/re-writing-history). Anyone have any experience with the consultation and what can I as a Norwegian potentially learn that isn’t already known through this group and the DNA results from the big y itself? Espen Solheim/Johnsen

Hi Hope all is well! Have a question regarding Irish origenes (https://www.irishorigenes.com/content/re-writing-history). Anyone have any experience with the consultation and what can I as a Norwegian potentially learn that isn’t already known through this group and the DNA results from the big y itself? Espen Solheim/Johnsen