“TOYOTA MOTORHOMES 101” (aka Toyota RVs / aka Toyota Campers) To learn all about Toyota Motorhomes, click on READ MORE.
Toyota Motorhomes are a particular type of Class C Recreational Vehicle, often referred to as “Micro-mini Motorhomes.” They were built on a Toyota pick-up truck chassis from 1972 to 1994, and are known for their reliability, economy, and ability to park in smaller spaces. While the exact number of Toyota motorhomes that were produced by multiple manufacturers can never be easily calculated, reasonable estimates of the total number could be as high as 60,000. Currently Toyota motorhomes appear to be retaining their value, more so than some other brands of motorhomes of the same vintage. It is not uncommon to see well-cared-for vehicles being advertised and selling in the $25,000 - $35,000 USD range for the rarest, intentionally restored ones. Owners report that they appreciate the better-than-average gas mileage that the Toyota engines deliver compared to other motorhomes of the same age and class.
HISTORICAL OVERVIEW
There are several distinctive eras of manufacturing of Toyota motorhomes, defined by the type of chassis that was used as the platform:
1972-1977
The earliest models of Toyota motorhomes were Toyota Chinooks built specifically for Toyota dealerships to sell. They were built on the Toyota pick-up chassis with 18r and 20r engines. In place of the truck bed there was a small integrated motorhome, including access between the cab and the coach.
There are pop-top models of Chinooks with a canvas-sided raised roof to allow a person to stand, and subsequently Chinook produced all-fiberglass models which were full height, known as Newport and Omega models. There were only two choices of floorplans in Chinooks, with either a dinette behind the cab that made a bed, or a with sofabed on the passenger side. Chinooks have fresh water tanks, but no holding tanks. Porta-potties were an option.
1978-1981
Beginning in 1978 Toyota Motor Corporation started selling their pickup chassis with the 20r engine chassis to multiple motorhome manufacturing companies, to use as a platform for various models with a wider variety of floorplans. In this era, the majority of Toyota motorhomes came into their own as fully "self-contained," meaning they had holding tanks and water heaters added.
1982-1985
In 1982 Toyota began selling their newer pickup chassis with the 22r engine (carbureted) for the manufacture of motorhomes. A few were produced with a diesel motor as well. These chassis were delivered with single wheels on the rear. Motorhome manufacturers in most cases bolted or welded on additional wheels to carry the extra weight of the coach portion of the vehicle. This modification stressed the axle in ways it was not designed for, causing the axles to break, sometimes suddenly while traveling. (See the section below regarding the “Axle Recall.”) Some manufacturers addressed the extra weight issue by using tandem (two) rear axles.
1986-1988
To permanently correct this issue, in 1986 Toyota started selling only pick-up chassis for motorhome manufacture that already had dual rear wheels (four total) on a full one-ton floating axle. This so-called "safe" axle is easily identified by the fact that it has six lug nuts, not five. (Note that it is possible to be fooled by a plastic wheel cover that imitates five lug nuts.) Beginning in 1987, the chassis supplied by Toyota had matching six-lug wheels (with up-graded brakes) on the front as well.
Also in 1986, the improved 22re engine (fuel injected) was introduced for the chassis that was provided to motorhome manufacturers. A very few were built with a 22re Turbo engine as well.
At the peak of production (in the 1980s) there were approximately three dozen manufacturers using the Toyota chassis to build motorhomes. (See the list which follows. It contains almost 50 models, but not all manufacturers were active at the same time.) These various manufacturers each created multiple floorplans: some with bunk beds, even one model with a slide-out side (Four Seasons). For reference, hundreds of online photos of Toyota motorhomes are available in this group’s “Files” Section.
1989-1994
In 1989 (1988 in Canada) Toyota began supplying motorhome manufacturers with an all-new pick-up chassis with the more powerful 3.0 V-6 engine 3VZ-E, continuing until 1993. For a good percentage of these vehicles, the model year of the motorhome is titled as one year newer than the chassis year because manufacturing of the motorhome took several months to be completed. (This means that any 1994 Toyota motorhome is actually built on a 1993 chassis.) By this time there were only about 10 Toyota motorhome manufacturers continuing to build on the V-6 chassis. (See the list which follows.)
TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION
The earliest Toyota Chinook models made specifically for Toyota all have coach shells made from molded fiberglass.
Starting in 1978 with the offering of the Toyota chassis to multiple manufacturers, many of them chose to use the more common conventional construction style for the coach portion, using wooden framing with corrugated aluminum exterior siding. Between 1986 and 1988, most manufacturers transitioned to corrugated fiberglass siding, with some retaining the corrugated aluminum for the curved portions on the front and rear. A very few manufacturers used aluminum framing too, for more longevity.
Several of the manufacturers continued the style of molded fiberglass for the coach, the most prolific being Sunrader. (See additional information below.) The rounded style of the molded fiberglass is considered by some to be quite attractive, and the potential for rain leaks is less; although fiberglass coaches can still leak just as much around their vents and windows as a conventionally built motorhome.
ENGINE COMPARISONS
Many Toyota motorhome owners report a preference for the 3.0 V-6 engine (3VZ-E) because of its increased horsepower, compared to the 4-cylinder engines, for powering a vehicle of mini-motorhome weight. However it is also suggested that the older 4-cylinder engines in Toyota motorhomes (20r, 22r, and 22re), especially those with a manual transmission, are preferable because they are simpler to work on and maintain, compared to the V-6 engines.
Both engines tend to get about the same gas mileage, with manual transmissions being more economical than automatics in both cases. Gas mileage reports vary widely between 11 mpg and 19mpg, with the primary variable being speed of travel. Most owners report that driving about 55 mph gives the best performance. However weather conditions (wind), terrain (hills), type of gas (ethanol), and overall weight are also very significant factors.
Motorhomes with 4-cylinder engines can comfortably run at highway speeds when on flat terrain, but do tend to slow down significantly on hills. Even so, 4-cylinder Toyota motorhomes have often been taken by their owners over 11,000' passes in Colorado without issues, albeit going slowly. For 4-cylinder motorhomes with automatic transmissions made before 1987, adding an auxiliary transmission oil cooler is highly recommended to help prevent transmission overheating. (Transmission oil coolers became standard equipment after 1987.) 4-cylinder (22r, 22re) owners are also cautioned to watch out for wear on the plastic timing chain guides that can show up as a brief rattle on startup, somewhere after about 75,000 miles. Immediate replacement is recommended to avoid more costly engine repairs.
Likewise, V-6 owners are cautioned to pay attention to keeping the valves adjusted regularly as per the factory recommendations, and to notice if any exhaust manifold leaks develop (which tend to be more common on the passenger side with this engine).
Occasionally some owners have chosen to replace the motorhome engine with a different model or brand (such as a Toyota 3.4 or a Lexus or a Chevy V-8) to provide more power for recreational vehicle use.
In addition to these basic descriptions of the several versions of engines used for Toyota motorhomes, one can find many available opinions from other online Toyota groups, regarding specific engine quirks, differences, merits, and recommendations.
PURCHASING A TOYOTA MOTORHOME
All Toyota motorhomes are now over 28 years old and many are almost 40. Because of this, prices depend more significantly on condition rather than on the specific model and year as with most other vehicles. The range of condition is quite extreme, from those that are amazingly well-cared-for and fully functional with multiple upgrades and enhancements such as solar power systems, to those which are truly falling apart from neglect.
Before making a selection for purchase, buyers would be wise to become well-educated about the various models and engines, as well as familiar with the operation of the various RV systems so that they can properly be evaluated for their functionality and for the level of repair that they likely will require. This group can provide excellent instruction for potential buyers regarding what to look for in advance, so that their dream motorhome doesn’t turn out to be a so-called “money pit.” Most buyers can expect that they will need to spend a lot of “hobby time” with a new-to-them Toyota motorhome to make it safely drivable and optimally comfortable for travel. However when it is refreshed to be fully operational, most owners report that they definitely appreciate the enjoyment that a Toyota Micro-mini Motorhome can provide.
SPECIFIC CONCERNS FOR TOYOTA RVS
Axle Recall -- 1991
In April 1991, the issue of the overstressed single wheel axles used prior to 1986 caused the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to issue a recall requiring all manufacturers who added additional rear wheels to the single wheel axles to replace them with the true one-ton full-floating dual wheel axles. (There is an additional document in these Files which is a copy of a notice from NHTSA’s office of Defects Investigation that was sent to National RV Inc. in California.)
This liability for unsafe axles plus other market factors caused a great majority of the manufacturers of Toyota motorhomes to go out of business around this time.
For owners of vehicles with the recalled axle, whose manufacturer was no longer in business, Toyota Motor Sales USA offered a free replacement one-ton dual wheel axle. The cost to install it was responsibility of the owner. (This free axle offer expired in 2004.) It is estimated from viewing online sales for the past decade that about 65% of the vehicles with recalled axles have had them replaced.
Finally in 1994 Toyota Motor Corporation ceased offering their pick-up chassis to motorhome manufacturers in the United States altogether, presumably because of the continuing liability and litigation. Toyota did continue offering their chassis for the manufacture of motorhomes in other countries (Australia and Japan) with the appropriate right-hand drive.
V-6 Engine Head Gasket "Recall” - 1996
In October 1996 Toyota Motor Sales USA issued a Special Service Campaign (VO-6 Campaign) for the head gaskets on its 3.0 L 3VZ-E engine used in Toyota motorhomes and other vehicles. (Technically, it is not a “recall.”) The campaign is for replacement of the head gaskets because the material initially used in these model years has proven to be inferior, causing engine overheating. The campaign has 2 parts; one for the years 1988 to early 1990 (which expired first), and one for the years 1990 -1993 of Toyota motorhome chassis, which has now also expired. (There is an additional document in these Files which is a copy of the letter that was sent to Toyota Service Centers with detailed information.)
Not all Toyota motorhomes of these years were recalled, presumably due to variations between factories. This special service campaign was still being honored by Toyota Service Centers (Dealers) through December 2018. Toyota Service Centers were compensated for performing the required replacement work through that date, but the choice to accept the vehicle for service or not was up to the individual Service Center. Toyota Service Centers are still capable of performing this head gasket replacement, but they are no longer compensated, so the expense falls on the vehicle owner now.
V-6 MANUFACTURERS OF TOYOTA MOTORHOMES (1989 - 1994)
Only a handful of the dozens of manufacturers "survived" the axle liability and market forces, to continue manufacturing Toyota motorhomes with the V-6 chassis in the 1990s.
Following is a list of the top 9 motorhome manufacturers that continued to build on the Toyota V-6 chassis, in descending order of total number of vehicles manufactured (based on the observed number of vehicles available for sale in the last 10 or so years):
Winnebago Industries (Forest City, IA) 1986 - 1994 manufactured ''Toye'' (no-frills), ''Warrior'' (basic), and ''Itasca Spirit'' (higher-end) models, in both 21' and 19' lengths.
National RV, Inc. (Perris, CA) 1978 - 1994, manufactured ''Dolphin'' (basic) and ''SeaBreeze'' (higher end) models in 18' initially, and then 21' and 19' lengths.
Leisure Odyssey (San Bernardino, CA) 1980 - 1991 manufactured multiple conventionally constructed ''Odyssey'' models (named for their floorplans), and an ''Americana'' model with a molded fiberglass overcab. Odysseys have the tallest and widest interior of any brand of Toyota motorhome. All models are 21', except a very few which are their tilt-top model and their four-wheel drive models which are shorter.
Gardner-Pacific Corp. (Vallejo, CA) 1979 - 1991 manufactured the ''Sunrader'' & ''Sunrader Classic'' models in 18' and 21' lengths. Sunraders are well-known (and noticeably sought-after) for their molded fiberglass construction with a clamshell design that has the upper and lower portion seamed around the middle. This construction, without the usual seams between a side-panel and the roof, lessens the possibility of rain leaking into the structure. The vast majority of Sunraders were manufactured with the 22r and 22re (four cylinder engines). A very few of these (28) were also made with an 18' four-wheel drive chassis. (No Sunrader "4x4s" were made with a V-6 engine.) Since then there are perhaps a dozen or more Sunraders that have been seen on the internet that have been converted to be 4x4s. The two-wheel drive V-6 Sunraders, especially the shorter 18’ model, are almost as rare, and ads are often seen from potential buyers seeking them. Additionally, in the earliest years of the company, Gardner-Pacific also made a very few slide-in campers and fifth wheel models with the same molded fiberglass clam-shell design.
Gulfstream Coach, Inc. (Elkhart, IN) 1989 - 1993 manufactured the ''Conquest'' model, and the higher-end “Ultra'' model, which has aluminum rather than wooden framing.
International Vehicles Corp. (Bristol, IN) manufactured the ''Horizon ST'' model with a molded fiberglass overcab.
Rockwood, Inc., (Goshen, IN) manufactured the ''Roamer'' model.
Bonanza Travelers (Elkhart, IN) made the pop-top ''Bandit'' model.
Slumber Queen (British Columbia) made a model for the Canadian market.
GATHERINGS OF OWNERS
There are several gatherings per year in various places in the United States where owners of Toyota motorhomes get together for “Rallies” or “Toy-ins” as they are sometimes called. Locations have recently been in Arizona, California, Washington, Idaho, Florida, Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Vermont, and Massachusetts. Rallies scheduled so far for 2022 are planned for Arizona, New England, and the Mid-West. Details about upcoming rallies are posted in this group in the “Messages” section.
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Welcome to the Toyota-campers Group - continuing since 2001
Welcome to the Toyota-campers group at Groups.io. This group is a continuation of the Toyota-Campers Yahoo Group that originally started at the beginning of 2001. Now after years of being a very active online-community for Toyota Mini-motorhome owners, we have accumulated a great wealth of information in our Files, Links, and Photos. Both new and existing owners will find many detailed documents about the history of Toyota RVs, and tips for making your “Toyhouse” more comfortable, drivable, presentable, and enjoyable. This group migrated from the Yahoo platform in November 2019, and this accumulated data has been transferred here to this group for all those who wish to access it. Please continue posting all your Toyota RVing questions, comments, and reports and photos here! Tika, Group Owner/Moderator Toyota RV owner for over 30 years
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Keeping this group ongoing
Thank you to those who have expressed concern about the cost of this group. It is heartwarming to find that so many folks care. Moving this group from yahoo has cost $200 for the expedited transfer fee (as a credit card payment), plus it will cost an expected $20 per month into the future. For those of you who feel it has been valuable to keep this group going, and have asked about helping, we will give you an opportunity to make a donation to cover the costs. Please contact us privately for a Paypal address. You can reply with a message you mark “private” at the lower right. Any folks that want to offer support will be appreciated. As it has evolved, this group's function has been pooling the collective wisdom of Toyota RV owners in our posts and files, so as to be able to educate others who seek to learn, without "reinventing the wheel" so to speak. If you have gotten something from this group and want to see it continue, and if you are in a position to help that happen, please send a private reply. Thank you! Tika Owner/moderator Toyota-Campers Group at Groups.io
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need air bag but running into issues
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hello all - i need 1-2 air bags for my 1992 toyota camper. the bag that i need to replace is a t-9 system but 3-T's RV Products does not answer the phone and none of the email links on their website work. ARE THEY STILL IN BUSINESS? I hate to drive all the way to lake havasu to find the doors shuttered permanently. even better - is there another source? thanks for any help you can send my way! jim r
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UPDATE: Quartzsite Toyota RV Rally Reservations - Early Bird Deadline is Friday
THE QUARTZSITE RALLY IS ALMOST FULL - BUT RESERVATIONS ARE STILL BEING ACCEPTED (Dates: January 16-21, 2025) Right now we only have a couple of spots left. Unlike some more informal rallies in Quartzsite, this is not a Rally that you can just show up at. The number of spots we have available is 17. Therefore if you are wanting to attend, please CALL US ON THE PHONE soon to register (not via group post or text), and then send your payment right away to secure your campsite before we are all full up. The deadline for Early Bird price is Friday. Now here below are all the specific details (please read it all carefully): - - - - The dates are Thursday, January 16 to Tuesday, January 21, 2025. This is our annual rally that takes place during the first weekend of the huge RV Show which is held in Quartzsite every year. Actually, if you want to, you can stay even longer -- some folks in our group will be staying for the entire 10-day show. The location where we will be camping is Stuffed Camel RV Park in Quartzsite. It is the not the same RV park as last year, nor where we were two years ago. Rather it is a small family-owned RV park on the north side of the Interstate on the Main Street — about .8 miles’ walk to the RV show’s “Big Tent.” The "Early-Bird" registration rate totals $135 for the five nights with full hookups. The reason we are putting a limit on the number of folks we can accommodate this year — only 17 Toyota RVs -- is because that’s how many sites there are in this RV park. This means that if we have that many attendees, we will pretty much have the RV park all to ourselves! To reserve one of the 17 spots, please CALL US (626-798-4510) to be put on the list, and then send your payment right away. The fee for an RV campsite is a very reasonable $25 per day which includes water, electric, and sewer if requested. If you don’t plug into the electricity, it is only $20 per day (honor system, please). (Note: No generators are permitted). In addition there is a one-time registration fee of $10 to cover the costs of putting on this multi-day Rally. The full fee is to be paid when you register with US — not with the RV Park as previously. NOTE: This park does NOT have unlimited dry camping space like the other rally locations, so you need to be paid up and be on the list to get in. If you cancel, your full payment is refundable upon request, if another Toyota RVer takes over your reservation, less a $10 cancellation fee. You need to send us your total registration fee in advance via Zelle, Paypal, or check. The address for electronic funds transfer or for US mail will be provided when you call to register. To encourage folks to pay soon, the $10 "Early-Bird" price is for registrations paid before December 27th. If you wait until the last 3 weeks, the registration fee goes up to $20 (plus nightly fees) — but that is only if spots are still available. If we have more folks wanting to come than we have spots, we will be creating a waiting list. If for some reason you are not able to attend, please let us know as soon as possible so your spot can be given to someone on the waiting list this year. So you can know more about what to expect, the first attachment to this email is the video panorama that was taken at a previous year’s Rally, in case you haven’t seen it. Many of you who were there are in the video. Also attached is a short video taken at this year’s RV park. The park is rather basic, but it has hook-ups, and it will basically be all ours! Now here below are some additional Rally details: The annual RV Show in Quartzsite is a really fun event with free admission. A giant show tent is erected with hundreds of vendors that cater to RVers. They also present dozens of Seminars about various topics related to RVing. You can view a list of them on RV Show’s website (see the link below). In addition to the RV Show’s “Big Tent,” the rest of the town turns into one giant swap meet. There are specific sections for antiques, gems & minerals, and new merchandise. This year the "Pow Wow" Gem and Mineral Show will be taking plac
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Merry Christmas everybody!
Once again it's that special day of the year -- Merry Christmas everybody! If Santa brings you anything special for your Toyota RV, let us know!
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Charlie's Muffler shop in Yucca Valley CA has an outdoor lift and can do any welding you need
Charlie's Muffler shop in Yucca Valley CA has an outdoor lift and can do any welding you need. I've used him a few times with my 1985 total dolphin for mufflers pipes spring helpers bumpers among other things. The lift is perfect size for my 21 foot dolphin. He also accepts credit cards and has fair prices. I've broken down the prices I've paid there and he's very reasonable. good luck
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For members here who also belong to the toyotamotorhome.org site, we have been having problems. Site is down completely but we are working on it. I will drop a message here when it's back up. Thank you for your patience Linda Scott
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Gas fumes
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We are smelling gas in the cab of our 87 Toyota Dolphin. No apparent leaks. Is there a ‘common’ cause? Something I should check? Thanks Ken
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Need 22R Engine replacement for my 1982 Sunrader JTRN44DOC0052810
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Last Nov 2023, I overheated my 1982 Toyota Sunrader I owned for 24 years. Of course no brick and mortar shop would deal with something so tall and old, so finally a mobile mechanic named Will came to my driveway in San Diego. Will determined it was a blown head gasket and said he would charged me $1500 to fix it. I paid Will $700 down that he asked for, and he did get the cylinder head remachined, but the engine was already rebuilt 50K miles before. So being that there wasn’t much room to grind, the machinest sold the mechanic a “thicker head gasket”. After putting it on, Will called me Christmas Eve and said that tomorrow he would put the rest of the parts on and then take it for a test drive. But before doing so, he “asked me a favor”. He had earlier told me that he was living out of San Diego hotels at $225 - $325/night because he was staying with his best friend, a married woman, and her husband got jealous and kicked him out. Well now, Christmas Eve, he claimed he lost his debit card, therefore had no way to get a bed for the next two nights. So Will asked if I could advance him $400 for a hotel for the next two nights, till his bank would open to replace his debit card. Being that Christmas was on Monday that year, and he had solid 5 Yelp stars, my kind-hearted soul got scammed into letting him charge my credit card for another $400 to buy him a bed for Christmas. So now I was out $1100. He abandoned the job, never came back, and long story short when the credit card dispute asked that I send them a “second opinion from another mechanic”, I found out why Will abandoned the job. He had always promised me that the engine below was not damaged “I know it isn’t ! I worked for an engine rebuilder for 5 years and I know! Only the head gasket was blown” (I saw the piece was missing between cylinders 3 and 4). Well the second opinion mobile mechanic did a compression test that showed 30 in two cylinders and 60 in the other two. I realized at that moment when Will did his own compression test on Christmas Eve and saw the hopeless numbers, he came up with the scheme to scam this old gullible senior woman for another $400. The credit card dispute did get me back the $1100. But here we are today. Due to putting out other fires in my life, I haven’t dealt with getting my engine replaced till now, a full year later. Yesterday, a local tire shop that a body shop referred me to https://www.yelp.com/biz/san-diego-tire-and-wheel-outlet-san-diego-6?osq=Sd+Tires+and+Wheels&override_cta=Get+pricing+%26+availability found a used 22R engine for me located in LA with 155,000 miles on it for $1999, plus they quoted 8 hours labor at $150/hour to install it, totaling $3200, excluding water pump or other parts, as they have not seen my vehicle to determine other replacement needs. Unlike other shops, the tire shop has a large lot and outdoor area to store my Sunrader. My VIN is JTRN44DOC0052810 , 5 spd manual trans (I changed the 4 spd to 5 spd). The engine was rebuilt before at 120K and now has 173K miles on it. I googled Toyota 22R for sale, and come up with numerous findings for new or remanuf engines for cheaper than that used one for $2000. An RV repair place told me about a rebuilt one for $500 or I heard of used engines for $350 are the prices people are throwing at me. So $1999 for a used engine that has 155,000 miles on it sounds outrageous. Last year, when I was looking for a used engine, the reviews for the businesses selling them all had 1 star ratings, reviews described such horrible experiences in great detail, I was too afraid to do business with them, and even told them so on the phone. Last year, two mechanics quoted me $5000 and $6000 to install a remanufactured engine they provide. Later other people told me a used engine is so much cheaper. I don’t know what to do, and I don’t have any experience with engine replacements and what are rip off prices and what are fair prices . I just want to get my Sunrader going so I could enjoy it. People told me it is too risky and full of unknown issues when you rebuild an engine that has been rebuilt before. Everyone I told this to, said "That is true". Like already the cylinder head barely had enough room to be smoothed, so a thicker gasket had to be sold to Will. Another mechanic said, "The thicker gasket is a red flag already!" When people tell me comments like that, I feel so confused and can't take action, cos I know NOTHING. Any help or feedback where to get another engine would be appreciated. Location of the disabled Sunrader is La Jolla, CA 92037 -- Julia - Scottsdale, AZ
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Update from Julia about 22R engine search. When I said that I had too many fires to put out in my life 2023, the fires were all about different people cheating me out of a lot of money, all having to do with the same house, but different situations. Now I have 5 separate lawsuits I wanna do Pro Per, cos attorney costs would be more than I hire them to recover. I told Tika I don't have time to "relax and enjoy being on vacation at her Quartzsite Rally", as she told me to. I don't know what it is about me that I am so vulnerable to being cheated! Anyhow here are the options I have for a motor so far, not in any order of expense or desirability: 11. A local (still 30 miles away) metal recycling yard has a used 1983 22R motor for $1200 that comes out of a Hilux Pickup not motorhome, they said is in “good running condition”, but they “have no idea how many miles is on it”. Warranty is 30 days from date of purchase, not date of installation. 2.2. The 1984 22R with 104,215 miles on it that Linda said was at El Rey Auto Parts in LA, costs $1400 (has $100 core charge) has 90-day warranty. El Rey guy named Said said it costs $300 for shipping to San Diego. Right now I don’t have a labor quote from anyone willing to install this used motor if I buy it, except Precision below, who charges $250/hr for 20 hours. 3.3. When I first contacted this 5 solid Yelp star mechanic a year ago, Precision Auto https://www.yelp.com/biz/precision-auto-san-diego (solid 5 star Yelp reviews) owner told me he could install a remanuf 22R for $6000. The business is only about 10 miles from where the Sunrader is stored at. But I didn’t take action then because I didn’t know how much other options would cost. So today it would cost $7097.06. Problem is he doesn’t have a place to store something as tall as Sunraders are and cannot be moved due to non-working engine, there is no locked yard to be covered by insurance. I asked how much the remanf engine itself cost. Service lady named Courtney quoting, said $3000. When I told her that Linda found the used engine for $1400 that another business had marked up $1000 to $2400, and “did you do that to this remanf engine, mark it up?” Courtney admitted, “Yes, Precision would be paying $2000 for the remanuf engine and selling it to me for $3000”. She said the labor to install an engine is 20 hours. Their labor charge is $175/hr, but if I provided my own motor, they would charge $250/hr, and we concluded that the price difference between used motor and remanuf motor with cheaper labor costs to install, it would be better to go with price for installing a remanuf engine. Also the owner cannot get the motor installed within the 30 days used motor warranty which starts from the date of used motor purchase, not from the date of the finished installation. But Precision will give a 4 year warranty on their remanuf engine, and a 2 year labor warranty for the remanf motor. 4.4. The California Mini Truck salvage yard in Montclair, that Tika and Linda said good words about, has a matching 1982 used motor. But for some reason Junior took a look at that motor and does not feel comfortable selling it, as is, used, He said he would rebuild it for $4900 including all new other parts such as new radiator, water pump, and other parts too numerous I forgot. So I called my insurance towing and they quoted $857 from my address in San Diego to Calif Mini Truck 4002 State St., Montclair for 107 miles (says Google Maps). By using Yelp quotes, I got the towing price down, down, down to only $500 here> https://www.yelp.com/biz/david-towing-escondido-3 21 solid 5 star Yelp reviews (incl those weeded reviews not included in the posted ones). Yes, I made him google images of what a Sunrader 18 ft was, and that it weighs 5000 lbs. But Junior had to make sure they could get the parts for the rebuild. Junior called the parts supplier 3 times in the last week, and they still haven’t called him back with an answer, so that is where I am with Calif Mini Truck today. That’s my report, so what do you think, you guys? -- Julia - Scottsdale, AZ
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19th Annual Toyota RV Rally in Quartzsite, AZ - Jan. 16-21, 2025
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QUARTZSITE RALLY RESERVATIONS NOW BEING ACCEPTED! Unlike some more informal rallies in Quartzsite, this is not a Rally that you can just show up at. The number of spots we have available is 17. Therefore if you are wanting to attend, please CALL US ON THE PHONE soon to register (not via group post or text), and then send your payment right away to secure your campsite before we are full. Now here below are all the specific details (please read it all carefully): - - - - The dates are Thursday, January 16 to Tuesday, January 21, 2025. This is our annual rally that takes place during the first weekend of the huge RV Show which is held in Quartzsite every year. Actually, if you want to, you can stay even longer -- some folks in our group will be staying for the entire 10-day show. The location where we will be camping is Stuffed Camel RV Park in Quartzsite. It is the not the same RV park as last year, nor where we were two years ago. Rather it is a small family-owned RV park on the north side of the Interstate on the Main Street — about .8 miles’ walk to the RV show’s “Big Tent.” The "Early-Bird" registration rate totals $135 for the five nights with full hookups. The reason we are putting a limit on the number of folks we can accommodate this year — only 17 Toyota RVs -- is because that’s how many sites there are in this RV park. This means that if we have that many attendees, we will pretty much have the RV park all to ourselves! To reserve one of the 17 spots, please CALL US (626-798-4510) to be put on the list, and then send your payment right away. The fee for an RV campsite is a very reasonable $25 per day which includes water, electric, and sewer if requested. If you don’t plug into the electricity, it is only $20 per day (honor system, please). (Note: No generators are permitted). In addition there is a one-time registration fee of $10 to cover the costs of putting on this multi-day Rally. The full fee is to be paid when you register with US — not with the RV Park as previously. NOTE: This park does NOT have unlimited dry camping space like the other rally locations, so you need to be paid up and be on the list to get in. If you cancel, your full payment is refundable upon request, if another Toyota RVer takes over your reservation, less a $10 cancellation fee. You need to send us your total registration fee in advance via Zelle, Paypal, or check. The address for electronic funds transfer or for US mail will be provided when you call to register. To encourage folks to pay soon, the $10 "Early-Bird" price is for registrations paid before December 27th. If you wait until the last 3 weeks, the registration fee goes up to $20 (plus nightly fees) — but that is only if spots are still available. If we have more folks wanting to come than we have spots, we will be creating a waiting list. If for some reason you are not able to attend, please let us know as soon as possible so your spot can be given to someone on the waiting list this year. So you can know more about what to expect, the first attachment to this email is the video panorama that was taken at a previous year’s Rally, in case you haven’t seen it. Many of you who were there are in the video. Also attached is a short video taken at this year’s RV park. The park is rather basic, but it has hook-ups, and it will basically be all ours! Now here below are some additional Rally details: The annual RV Show in Quartzsite is a really fun event with free admission. A giant show tent is erected with hundreds of vendors that cater to RVers. They also present dozens of Seminars about various topics related to RVing. You can view a list of them on RV Show’s website (see the link below). In addition to the RV Show’s “Big Tent,” the rest of the town turns into one giant swap meet. There are specific sections for antiques, gems & minerals, and new merchandise. This year the "Pow Wow" Gem and Mineral Show will be taking place at the Community Center (walking distance across the street) during the first few days of our Rally, if you would like to go to it (like on Friday). Plus th
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Front hub cap
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Lost a front hub cap on our 87 Dolphin. Is there a good source for a replacement? 5.5” diameter. Thanks Ken
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Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!
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Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone! Is anybody camping this holiday weekend?
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It started - then, just won’t…
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After starting our 1987 Toyota Sunrader today a number of times, on our last stop at the grocery store, it wouldn’t start. Fortunately, it was within walking distance of home, to get our car and our groceries home and have supper. All startup sounds are the same, and all the instrument lights show bright. But, nothing from the starter. What is heard is a single click from this attached electrical device. Turn the key to start - one click. The same each retry. Any ideas? We bought this Sunrader 13 years ago on 11/1/11. And when I bought it, I never had the idea of not using it. I thought we would always enjoy traveling with it. But our last trip with it was in June 2023, and that was just for three days. I start it every three months, drive it around to exercise the tires, but time hasn’t allowed for doing more with it. On 2/23/23, our Grand Girl was born and started living with us. And that is where our time is being well spent. My birthday is June 23rd, so each month on the 23rd, we celebrate our birth days. She was just 20 months of age and on the same day, I was 952 months of age. In other words, 79+. And it is age though, that has me now thinking of letting somebody else use the Sunrader, for we aren’t getting around to it. Yet when it started right off today, I couldn't help by think, well if it still has get up and go, maybe I can keep up with it. The 22RE has an age of only 59,000 miles. I realize I don’t have such longevity. Such thoughts were with me as I drove it around today, pleased again that it started right up. Though we were just driving errands around town, moving along with it - I was moved, like the pleasing experience of being on the road again. Got it filled with gas, Sta-Bil in it and the cover ready to shelter it from the winter rains. I just got to get it home. Tom
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Weight of our campers for being towed ?
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For the purpose of telling tow trucks or trailer owners about the possibility of towing a Toyota RV camper.... I have a 1985 New Horizon Camper with 22RE engine and the factory swap out rear dualie axles. What is the likely empty ( or towable) weight of my camper ? Anyone ever had theirs weighed ? I have my worries about the extension of the camper body behind the rear axle and being about to be winched up onto a tow truck. I think the rear bumper-chassis would drag the ground and a lower trailer might work better.
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BATTERY (HOUSE)
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When I have a trickle charger on the truck battery... is the house battery also being charged?
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Happy Halloween Everybody!
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For many folks it is time to put away your RV for the winter; for others, the snowbird season is just starting!
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1989 Toyota Dolphin door
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I am in search of the two vertical insert trim pieces and the top drip edge. Just wondering if there are other options people have explored if they are not available. Best to all! Thanks, David
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Hot water tank bypass for winterizing
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Hi guys, I just to pick your brains. Winterizing my 92 Warrior, I disconnect both lines to the hot water tank and join them together with a brass fitting. Not hard, but not the easiest thing to do. What does everyone else do? I know they sell bypass kits with valves, but I'm not sure how "standard" the plumbing is in these older machines. I could build my own bypass from the hardware store. I just wonder what everybody else does. I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Thanks! -- JohnJab01 in Ohio 92 Warrior 97,000 miles 3.4 swap
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[minitruckcampers] Pics of Timbrens installed?
Disregard, I had somehow saved the wrong installation instructions, they were for the same model number but not for the toyota 1 ton chassis, I found the correct ones here: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0693/4560/7962/files/Timbren_SES_Installation_Instructions_-_sku_TOR2002.pdf?v=1679341714
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