LED Machine Lighting Sale
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Menards (in the USA) today had the flexible LED goose neck lights on sale (7W) for $3.99 each. I just ordered 20 of them for my shop equipment. They are selling fast so I thought I would pass it along in case come one here is looking for equipment lighting.. https://www.menards.com/main/lighting-ceiling-fans/indoor-lighting/lamps/table-lamps/flexible-gooseneck-led-lamp/68769g/p-1642874340851661-c-7497.htm
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Sieg C3 vs SC3
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Contemplating buying a mini lathe for home use. Is it worth spending the extra money to buy a SC3 as opposed to a C3 ?.
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Grizzly G4003 - modifications to RideTheGearTrain software to accommodate this lathe
#lead-screw
#threading
Grizzly G4003 Lathe-modifications to RideTheGearTrain (free online to calculate the change gears needed to cut a thread. I had quite a busy time in the days leading up to Christmas. I had contacts from a couple of people who needed their lathe gearboxes added to the program (RideTheGearTrain). One lathe had crazy features I had not heard of before. It was a Chinese-made Grizzly G4003 (2005) model sold by the American Grizzly company. The spindle shaft is 16mm and the leadscrew shaft is 19mm, so they have two sets of change gears. This meant that I had to modify the program to handle it. It would have been a huge job to re-write the whole program, but not long ago I added a filter system. The user enters ALL their change gears initially, but they also click the button, currently labeled "Exclude Large gears", and here the user can enter a separate list of gears permitted for each position (or stud) in the gear train. If the program produces results with gears that are NOT permitted in any position, those results are deleted (filtered out) and only the reduced list of results is displayed. I added this filtering system a few months ago to prevent the display of results where a gear is too large to fit on the machine. A user had this problem. So the user enters a size limit (by number of teeth) for any position they want restricted. For example on some lathes there is a casting near the stud gear that prevents large gears from being fitted. If the size limit for the stud gear is 60 teeth, then the user enters 60 as the maximum size for the stud gear. Results using larger gears are filtered out. An advancement on this idea was to actually measure the distance between studs on the banjo, and from the DP (Diametral Pitch of the gears) the size of gears can be calculated. When there are gears on two 'studs' (or shafts) on the banjo, the radius of each gear is proportional to the number of teeth on that gear. The space required is the sum of the two radii. We can use the sum of the teeth on the two gears and from that calculate whether the two gears will fit between the two studs. If they don't fit, the filter program will remove the results from the list of results to be displayed. This method is rather complicated and I doubt whether anyone uses it. I haven't had any feedback about it. I did not have my Boxford in Tennessee when I wrote this. Now I am in New Zealand I could measure my lathe and see if it works. It probably isn't foolproof because fitting one pair of large gears on the banjo will limit how much room is available for the next pair. We could add up the teeth of ALL the gears on the gear train, but that would only work if the gears are arranged in s straight line, which they are not. Some more thought may be required. Going back to the weird Grizzly lathe, it has another quirk. It is fitted with a 91/86 compound pair for imperial to metric conversion. It is designed in such a way that this gear cannot be flipped over. RideTheGearTrain automatically tries flipping over compound pairs and it is quite surprising to me that it produces nearly as many results with the conversion gear flipped. A conversion gear with a ratio approximating 1.27 is fairly close to 1.25 which happens to be quite handy! So, how can we prevent RideTheGearTrain from displaying results with this gear flipped? Easy. Just use the filter system to tell the program to filter out any results where the gear in position Compound 2 (comp2) is larger than 87. Now with this filter system we can accommodate this peculiar lathe. Now I understand better why it is done this way. The gears designed to go on the leadscrew shaft have a long extended boss on one side - like a built-in spacer. If you put it with the spaced to the right, the gear engages with the metric conversion gear. If you flip the leadscrew gear over, so that the spacer is on the left, it now meshes with the gear on the compound pair which acts as an idler. This is used for cutting imperial threads. These leadscrew gears with the extensions cannot be used as stud gears. So, this lathe comes w
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Damage to electronic devices as raised about Digital Electronic Vernier Calipers.
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Dear All, I know this is partially off the original topic. But the possibility that certain workshop equipment may affect or even damage everyday equipment, viz a flat screen TV etc., seems very important. So I hope you will understand my request, as I have no knowledge of such matters. Thus may I have some detailed advice. I am not into Tungsten Inert Gas (TIG) welding, (as mentioned, it’s technically called Gas Tungsten Arc Welding, GTAW - thank you for the info.) I only undertake a very limited amount of Metal Inert Gas (MIG) and Gas, plus I did do some ‘old style’ Arc welding some years ago. So, presumably as it says (TIG) has a non eroding electrode. (Plus an inert consumable rod.) Then the TIG Arc causes/releases a large amount of unrefined/uncontolled Radio Frequency (RF) signals. This then swamps and damages any electronics in the vicinity. Am I correct? A simple Y or N will be more than OK, thankyou. The power of the TIG arc (welder) and the distance to the piece of electronic equipment, increases or decreases the risk of damage. Again correct? (Presumably the inverse square law applies. So the manufacturer could(?) give guidance about the risks?) Does that mean MIG is not so bad, as it has a sacrificial electrode? Again, I have no idea. Anyone know? Plus - Thanks for the info on the solar storms. Very interesting. (Everyday is a day at school, even when you have seen a lot of Summers.) Thanks in anticipation, David Williams (From across the Pond. Nr Oxford.) On 9 Dec 2024, at 20:59, mike allen <animal@...> wrote: Welders & flat screen TV's too . I had a bud that spent many thousand $$ on a Lincoln water cooled TIG welder . First time he used it took out his fairly new flatscreen TV . Good thing he was between wife's when that happened . animal On 12/9/24 11:24 AM, Bruce J via groups.io wrote: Well it’s not just welders and LED lights… "SOLAR STORMS ARE DRIVING FARMERS CRAZY: Planting season is a hectic time for farmers. For many, it means working through the night using GPS-guided tractors to plant thousands of acres in a short period of time. The season was in full swing on May 10, 2024, when the biggest solar storm in decades struck Earth. "Our tractors acted like they were demon possessed," says Elaine Ramstad, a Spaceweather.com reader and aurora chaser who helps out on a family farm in Northern Minnesota. "All my cousins called me during the May 10th storm to tell me that 'my auroras' were driving them crazy while they were planting.” SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids spaceweather.com <favicon.ico> Probably not Johannes’ problem, though…:-) My shop is lit by LED bulbs or fixtures I got at Costco 4 or 5 years back to replace the old flickering fluorescent ones; but I haven’t noticed any issues in use with my calipers until the batteries get low, which produces just those kinds of weird issues. On Dec 9, 2024, at 4:40 AM, flyfishingdude9 via groups.io <flyfishingdude9@...> wrote: When I GTAW the HF start really messes with all of my DRO's, and digital calipers/micrometers. 😮 It turns them on, turns them off, the displays show erroneous readings. I thought they were possessed until I figured out it was the TIG's HF start that was causing the problem. 😂 -- Bruce Johnson The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.
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Digital Electronic Vernier Caliper
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I can not work without many "Digital Electronic Vernier Caliper" in my workshop. However, they are always hiding them self when I am doing my job. Lately I have discovered that they are missing the numbers on the display. Both old and new ones. Suddenly the numbers are being negative or shutting down. I am blaming a Comunicacion tower not far from the building. Someone's that has a good advice for me? Best from Johannes
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Group Guidelines
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TERMS OF USE -- How the 7x12 Group Operates The 7x12 Minilathe forum was founded as a way for machinists, both expert and novice, to help each other learn about our machines and to inspire each other to try new things. Here you can ask machining questions and expect to get knowledgeable answers. You can ask for help in finding just the right technique or design for a particular project. The files and archives can be searched for helpful hints and ideas to improve your knowledge and the quality of your work. In return we ask that you confine your discussions to machining related topics, that you treat each other as you would want to be treated, that you write your messages with a sense of camaraderie, and that you honor the rights of those who willingly give of their time by sharing their knowledge and ideas with you. Over time a group personality emerges, shaped by the people and personalities who comprise the group. We would like this group to be friendly and welcoming, a place where machinists of all skill levels come to teach and to learn and we ask your cooperation in meeting these goals. To help achieve those goals, the following rules govern operation of this group: * On-Topic posts only. Posts are not normally moderated, except those from relatively new members. But posts which are clearly off-topic will be deleted; the member's email status may be changed plus their posting status may be changed so their future messages are moderated. To avoid this, please refrain from responding to OT posts. Leave decisions as to whether a subject is OT to the moderators. Give them a little time to deal with the matter, and some latitude in judging what is off-topic. Experience has shown that some topics can drift into off-topic areas; for example, posts about using a lathe to make angling equipment can degenerate into fishing reminiscences and those about making car parts into the merits of member's past vehicles. Posts on making gun parts are a particular problem, as they can end up as general discussions about firearms and ballistics, or worse still as sterile arguments about the merits or demerits of gun control, where no-one is ever likely to persuade anyone else to change their views. Think before you post - is what you will be saying really on the subject of lathes and machining? * CNC, ELS and 3D Printer topics are handled in the https://groups.io/g/digitalhobbyist which is dedicated to these and similar topics. Or, https://groups.io/g/3D-Printing-for-Metal-Hobbyists * Please avoid religious or political asides or references in your messages, and likewise quotations, slogans etc at the end of them. Limit signatures to 2 lines maximum. * Be civil to your fellow members; derogatory or combatively worded posts will be deleted, and offenders placed on moderation. * Pictures: Following our move to Groups.io we would like to allow members to post pictures. We ask that only machining related pictures of lasting interest be posted. When appropriate include mention of the message number concerning the topic covered in the picture(s). Members who expect to post a number of pictures should make an album containing their name to hold their pictures. Pictures of passing interest should be posted in messages or on public servers like Flickr. * Files: Members may post machining related files. Again, these should be of lasting interest. * LINKS are found in the left menu of the Forum under Databases. Moderators may remove pictures or files judged not to meet the above stated criteria. Moderators are currently: John = GadgetBuilder = John@... Mike = DrMico60 Trevor = Trevor_Rymell Maximum size of pictures should be 800x600. Pictures may be cropped and/or resized using Irfanview (free) or any other photo processing program. One criterion for inclusion is that the photo should be of lasting interest, like a lathe modification or accessory, rather than something which will only be of interest while a question is being asked about it. This avoids "Photos" getting too cluttered with pictures relating to long-forgotten threads. *** Moderators
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Three Jaw Chuck / Spindle Bore Opening
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Recently have started to use my little ole lathe. My machining background stems from “repair” as opposed to “fabricating” and so one of the first things I did was acquire a 4-jaw chuck. After having the lathe for near 5 years now, I discovered the bore of the 3-jaw chuck is smaller than the lathe spindle opening. I did not have a reason to notice this discrepancy before because I hardly ever used the 3-jaw chuck until lately for some repetitive work. Is this something we just have to accept as an attribute of the machine, or is there a three jaw chuck available with a bore opening as large as the spindle opening? John
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Headstock indexer
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Catching up on my electronic subscriptions the Oct 2024 issue of Model Engineers Workshop has a pretty interesting diy indexer for the mini lathe . This is a English Magazine , but it's available at most book stores that have a fair sized magazine dept . I subscribe to this & read online . It seems they have more projects in one month than the other 2 mags do in half a year . They should be having their black Friday subscription drive going on about now . https://www.classicmagazines.co.uk/issues/MEW?source=Digital22
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BlackFriday hobby mag sale
I got this mail today & heres a list of their hobby mags that are part of their blackFriday Magazine sale , some of ya may be interested https://pocketmags.com/us/magazine-offers/blackfriday-scale-modelling?utm_campaign=1667169_7-pkmg-black-friday-scale-modelling-25112024-us&utm_medium=email&utm_source=dotmailer&dm_i=4Q80,ZQE9,5GIPSW,4MGQ9,1
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I MADE IT TO 70 off subject
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Yesterday I turned 70 Off subject sorry this has no off subject thread Here what happen just this month & a little background I have not told any here 2 weeks ago I was in the emergency with 103.1° temperature. I had blood infection. Most that would be no big deal. Most would be no big deal. But in 2009 I was diagnosed with stage 4 colan cancer I was told to go the emergency over 100.5°. I want to diet to live longer so, had few of all green diet. So ask oncologist how long do people live with my diagnose she said no makes pass 10 years. I did ask two doctors and said samething, I also ask American Cancer twice they said ther stop hearing after 9 years. Now it is over 15 years hard for me real know how to feel or how to plan anything. I post the diet om America Cancer Please post I hope helps others [URL]https://csn.cancer.org/discussion/327889/what-to-eat-to-live-longer#latest[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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Lipstick on a pig?
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Some time back I started working on a DRO scheme for my lathe cross slide. There's not a lot of room on top so many of the approaches I saw had one disadvantage or another. As a result I came up with a scheme to put the DRO underneath the lathe and used a "C" shaped piece to transfer the cross slide motion beneath the lathe. I had an iGaging DRO for the purpose because I bought two when I was working on my Z axis DRO setup, so I already had what I needed. Or so I thought. Unfortunately, the iGaging design uses a sliding contact with a fairly strong spring, which required a fair amount of force to overcome. DRO mounting schemes that put the mounting system inline with the sensor aren't affected by this, but my C shaped piece would deflect under the force enough to cause about a .005" error. I tried several ways to stiffen up the system but that was about the best I could manage. So I decided to modify my DRO to reduce the amount of force needed to move the rule through the sensor. This involved making a replacement base out of aluminum and replacing the sliding contact with bearings. I used aluminum because the rule MUST be connected to the sensor's internal ground in order to work correctly. My first iteration used flanged bearings because the rule needed to be constrained on two of its axes, but the flanges rubbed on the rule too much, which caused erratic variations in the force needed to slide the rule back and forth. So I replaced the flanged bearings with conventional ones -- but then had to add bearings to the bottom and top assemblies to constrain the rule on its vertical axis. At this point I debated on whether it really was worthwhile to continue my attempt to use an iGaging DRO, but since I already had a fair amount of time invested in this thing I forged on. This is known as the "sunk cost" syndrome, and I admit to falling victim to it. So after buying more bearings and spending more machining time on the base (and 3D printing a cover, also with bearing pockets) I got this: The top photo shows the scale, sensor, aluminum base and printed cover. The side bearings are 3x10mm and the top/bottom are 3x6. And here are photos of the mounting scheme: I used a "T" extrusion in an attempt to stiffen up my "C" assembly but it didn't improve things much. The 3D printed stuff was done with an older Ender 3 I bought from a friend. This is the first project I've used it for. The pieces were designed using openSCAD. Not shown: all the pieces that had something wrong with them :). The scale passes through a slot I milled in the vertical piece. At first the (re) assembled DRO had a terrible EMI problem. I added some shielding on the back of the sensor board, which helped a teensy bit. It turns out that the main problem was the spacing between the bottom of the sensor board and scale. I had used some 3mm brass washers to make sure the board didn't rub against the scale, but that turned out to be a mistake. I removed them and suddenly the noise problem disappeared. The board still isn't rubbing so that was a solution without a problem. I was sure that the DRO would misbehave once it was installed and the motor controller was turned on, but so far so good. I checked the DRO vs the dial and they are very close. That was a big unknown, since I wasn't sure if the spacing between the scale and sensor board would affect the readings. Lipstick on a pig? Well, probably. If I had known what I was going to encounter along the way I think I would have just bit the bullet and found myself a DRO that would work right out of the box....
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Troubleshooting Dead unit
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My 7x12 Northern Mini-lathe has suddenly quit working. Previously, when I flipped the switch from forward to reverse I heard relays click. Now nothing. The fuse tested good. I did not see any evidence of burnt parts. I know something about electronics, but it is hard to proceed without a wiring diagram. I do not have an oscilloscope, but I have a VOM. I would hate to replace the control board, only to find that the problem is elsewhere...... I looked online, but did not find anything relevant. Richard
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SAFETY <<< WAS: RE: [7x12MiniLathe] Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring
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Once again an e-mail string has fallen off its original subject and is wandering around aimlessly. Can we please get back to the original subject of mounting a plastic elbow on a lathe or just stop if enough has been said? On the subject of safety, keep in mind that EVERYTHING we do, even breathing the air. carries some degree of risk. Machining equipment and the materials we use are inherently dangerous. Our job is to understand and evaluate the risks, and to take appropriate actions to reduce the risks so that they will not cause us harm. We do this by recognizing the risks and using APPROPRIATE Personal Protective Equipment (PPEs), procedures, and administrative controls to help keep us safe and off the Darwin Awards page. Jerry F. From: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io [mailto:7x12MiniLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via groups.io Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 10:57 AM To: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring So, for those who have no common sense and who are so scared : please don't use nor drink water, whose scientific names are also di-hydrogen monoxide and mono-oxygen di-hydride. It is well known as being very dangerous. Among the risks are : an excess can cause landslides, it dissolves rocks, perforates stone and metals, and also clouds the pastis. Drinking too much of it can lead to an edema. That said, whatever the liquid, gas, or material is, always wear googles, use gloves put a breathing mask and avoid breathing the vapors or fumes. I assume that any adult would know this but, you're right, a reminder may be useful. In addition, don't cross the streets. Finally lots of people die in their bed. A word of advice: don't go to bed. Keep sitting instead :-)
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Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring
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I've got a 70's era radial arm saw with a dust collection port that doesn't match current vacuum fittings. I bored one end of a 1 1/4" PVC coupling to fit the saw outlet and the other end to fit the vacuum hose. It works, but for long term a 90-degree fitting would be much better. I have a 1 1/4" PVC 90 that I would like to bore out to do the job. However, having trouble figuring out how to mount on my 3" 4-jaw chuck (see photo). I need to mount so the opening(s) is centered on the spindle so the 4-jaw adjustment capability would be great if I could get it mounted. Any ideas on how to mount?
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CJ0618 lead screw
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When I purchased my mini lathe (about 5yrs ago) it was advertised as having a 16tpi lead screw. I recently decided to check and noticed that is not the case. It is actually the 1.5mm pitch leadscrew instead. I am considering purchasing a 16tpi replacement along with new half nuts. I found the items on Arc Eurotrade. However, the shipping to the US is a bit expensive. I haven't been able to find these items on Amazon. eBay and AliExpress have the metric version but I cannot find imperial versions. Little Machine Shop has lead screws for Sieg 7x14 lathes, but I believe there are some differences that may cause problems. Has anyone else made this swap or have suggestions as to where I should look for these items. Thanks in advance.
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Motor Cuts using Steady Rest
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The motor on my LMS 7x16 cuts out turning down 360 brass when using a steady rest with a HSS tool. The 7" 1.25" brass rod is centered in my 4-jaw cuck to 0.005" and the Steady Rest is 2.25" back from the end. I'm using reversed Emery Cloth under the brass points with liberal and frequent oilling. The rod turns by hand w/o much friction. Cuts deeper than 0.010" stall the motor when the lead screw is engaged. Thoughts appreciated!
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Pencil Sharpener
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Hi boys Some time ago I asked you some technical questions about an old German Pencil Sharpener. Made by Guhl & Harbeck , Hamburg, and I got a lot of help. Thanks again. I have made a short video, check it out on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfGGvQYSpj8 Johannes Mexico Guhl & Harbeck Jupiter 1 Pencil Sharpener www.youtube.com
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Angled Backsplash Idea
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A few times I have mentioned how the back splash on mini lathes doesn't really scale down well from larger lathes and makes things too crowded when trying to work around or clean the back side area of the lathe. "Mr. Pete" (Tubalcain) has been running a series on the early Unimats, and out of the blue somebody sent him a little cabinet with a backsplash that was ANGLED. This seems to help greatly in opening up the space behind the lathe. The notches are designed to hold tool holders, but you could make notches, or holes, for anything to get additional utility. Or none at all. You could make a top bend rearward and horizontal and put holes in it to hold centers and such. The part here is stainless and must be pretty thick as he said it weight 10 lbs. Here is the entire YouTube video where he shows this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZa2m90p0dA&t=504s This is one of those things where my reaction is, "Why didn't I think of that?" Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
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Large work holding
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I have a 6" x 1" round piece of aluminum that I need to turn into a flywheel for the model engine I am building. I was thinking of using superglue to secure it to my faceplate as it obviously does not fit in any of my chucks. Any suggestions how to hold this or should I go looking for someone with a bigger lathe. Dave Borneo
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detection of alluminium
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I have some metal from picnic table whit glass 2 interrogation A howto verify it is alluminium maybe magnnetic ok but do you have any other method like acid vinegar or so B is it possible to make a check playing dising whit sand blasst on these kind of tenpered glass table or no everything exploded jack 47 71
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